Your Birth Certificate Is Not a Bond. Really.

If you’re like most people, you read that title and scratched your head in confusion. “Rich,” you may have said, “what on earth are you talking about? Of course my birth certificate isn’t a bond. It’s a birth certificate.” And now you’re reading this, because you’re wondering what sort of foaming madness I’m spewing forth onto your screen.

I work in the financial sector in my day job, and I come into contact with a broad slice of the general public on a daily basis. That’s how I first encountered this nonsense. About six years ago, I received a call from a gentleman who said he wanted to redeem his bond. So I got the particulars of his account, looked it up, and scratched my head in confusion. There were no bonds. There weren’t any bond-based mutual funds. He had nothing that even looked like a bond. All he had was a checking account, and that held less than a hundred dollars.

“Sir,” I said, probably sounding extremely confused, “did you mean you wanted to take a withdrawal from your checking account?”

“No,” he assured me. “I’ve got a bond, and it’s worth a million dollars, and I just need to get enough out to buy a new car.”

There really aren’t words to describe the confusion you feel as a broker, when you’re talking to someone who has less than a hundred bucks and who assures you that he’s worth a million dollars. So I asked some questions. Did he have the bond with another firm? No. Did he hold the bond in paper form? That almost never happens these days, but you never know. But the answer was… no. However, he insisted had a bond worth a million dollars.  It was tied to his Social Security number, and he needed the money. The conversation ended with me telling him that I was looking at every account at our firm associated with his Social Security number, and no such bond existed.  Disappointed, my client hung up the phone.

A birth certificate. Via Wikimedia

At the time, I was unaware of the “redemption movement.” I won’t link to any of the sites that describe this movement in (excruciating) detail, because I don’t want to risk encouraging them; if you really want to see them for yourself, just search for “birth certificate bond” and brace yourself. In brief, this conspiracy theory declares—often in bold, italicized large font with poor grammar—that the United States government declared bankruptcy in 1933 when the country went off the gold standard. The bankrupt country, in an effort to prevent foreclosure, pledged all Americans to “International Bankers” as collateral for the national debt. As a result, we are all slaves without even knowing it. And somehow, our birth certificates are floated on the markets as “average value bonds” worth—depending on the “source”—millions or even billions of dollars.

At this point, you probably have questions. Let me try to anticipate and answer them.

What is a bond?

A bond is a security, representing the debt of some entity—typically a government, a government agency, or a corporation. When you buy a bond from the issuer, you are effectively loaning the issuer money. The issuer then pays you interest on that loan, and returns the principal at maturity. Since this is Skeptoid, and not Forbes or the Wall Street Journal, I won’t go into all the bells and whistles that specific types of bonds can carry.

Here’s where we hit the first problem with the claims of redemption movement. Bonds, unless the issuer goes bankrupt, have to pay their principal back eventually. They don’t always pay interest, not in the same way your savings account pays interest (assuming it does, these days), but they have to pay the principal back. The proponents of this “birth certificate bond” nonsense don’t explain how the International Bankers benefit from ownership of these bonds in the slightest. Does interest get paid on the bonds? They don’t say. Do you somehow become cash money, in the form of precious metals, upon death? If not, how do the bonds pay out at maturity? I mean, sure, you can pay off a bond by floating a new issue. But if the birth certificate is a collateralized bond, something has to serve as collateral. Are they saying that, if the US birth rate drops, the International Bankers can seize citizens to cover the debt that doesn’t get refinanced.

Actually, they probably are saying that. I am now utterly depressed by the realization that, if I searched for it, I could probably find some sort of 9/11 Truther-Redemption Movement crossover web site.  Or worse, the realization that I may have accidentally spawned such a movement.

What is an “average value bond”?

I’ve got no idea, and I work in the financial sector. Google doesn’t know. Investopedia doesn’t know. Quite literally, the only place I’ve ever seen the term is on these “redemption movement” sites, and they really don’t define it. Reading between the lines, I think they mean the bond is valued at the anticipated earnings of the average American citizen, which sort of makes sense (as much as any of this makes any sense at all).  These “bonds” reputedly are valued in the million dollar range, and Education and Lifetime Earnings in the United States estimates the lifetime cumulative earnings of an American as being between $0.5 million and $3.05 million, depending on sex and education.

Let me stress the “sort of” in “sort of makes sense.” None of this really makes any sense.

“International Bankers”—they mean Jews, don’t they?

Well, none of them come right out and say that. But, let’s be honest. There are specific code phrases used in conspiracy literature, and “International Bankers” is pretty much always Jews. Antisemitism is the ugly live-in boyfriend of the conspiracy theorist. Even when they throw him out, he comes crawling back, begging them to take him in and swearing he won’t get drunk and set the couch on fire this time.

What in the world is this “the United States declared bankruptcy” business?

The “redemption movement” literature talks about House Joint Resolution 192 (“To ensure uniform value to the coins and currencies of the United States”). The resolution declared that the requirement of US currency to be redeemable in gold was “inconsistent with the declared policy of the Congress to maintain at all times the equal power of every dollar, coined or issued by the United States, in the markets and in the payment of debts.” The resolution further declared that any payment that was originally to be made in gold could be made in any legal tender, that all obligations of the United States payable in US currency could be paid in any legal tender, and that gold coins below the standard weight “shall be legal tender only at valuation in proportion to their actual weight.”

Why did they do this? A couple of reasons. First, the United States had nearly hit the fourth anniversary of the Crash of 1929 when HJR 192 passed, and the ability to print paper money to cover Federal expenses probably seemed like a good idea. Easing the money supply is one of the standard responses to a recession, after all, and a depression is a recession that’s been doping. But there’s another reason they took this step.  Remember how the resolution declared that any payment that was originally to be made in gold could be made in any legal tender?  Well, during the Civil War, the United States issued United States Notes.  These paper notes were legal tender, but were not redeemable at face value for gold. This put the United States in the awkward position of having two currencies, each with the same face value (gold coins and greenbacks were, in theory, legally the same) but different actual values – as the price of gold moved with market forces, gold-backed dollars became more valuable than the paper-backed greenbacks. HJR 192 eliminated this dual currency, simplifying the banking system at a time when the banking system needed simplifying.

Now, you can certainly argue whether going off the gold standard was a good decision for the economy of the United States. A lot of people have spent a lot of time and energy and ink arguing both sides of that decision in the decades since the resolution was passed. But nothing in the act is a declaration of national bankruptcy. No debt was discharged, no assets of the United States government were liquidated to discharge debt, and no structured payment plans to discharge debt were created.

Is there any truth to this? I could use a couple of million dollars…

Yeah, so could I. But here’s the short answer: no.

Here’s the longer answer, if you want the detail: no. There is no cabal of Jewish bankers who secretly own you and everyone else in the United States. Your birth certificate is not a bond worth millions of dollars. There is no legal way you can obtain the millions of dollars of value your birth certificate does not possess. The United States government, although it has a significant national debt, is not bankrupt. You cannot call a brokerage firm or a bank, declare that you know the secret of the international Jewish bankers who own your life, and lay claim to these millions of nonexistent dollars with a magic phrase. There is no such thing as a free lunch, and you should not believe everything you read on the Internet.

About Richard Gant

Richard Gant is a husband, a father, and a huge nerd with a deep love of science, science fiction, and fantasy. He works for a brokerage firm he won't name here in order to keep his Compliance department happy, and frequently talks to inanimate objects as if they can understand him. He also has a difficult time writing seriously about himself in the third person.
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126 Responses to Your Birth Certificate Is Not a Bond. Really.

  1. sszorin says:

    There was no need to type a long rebuttal of ridiculous theory that the Jews own and/or manipulate the banking system to their advantage by criminal means. All you had to do was to give us the names of those families who have been, for about 100 years, the class A shareholders of the Federal Reserve Bank. The IRS is a branch of the Federal Reserve Bank so those who own the Fed own the gold and diamond mine of tax collection and of distribution of wealth which is continuously created by the 9 to 5 working cattle.
    Please provide the names of those who own the Federal Reserve Bank and who run the Federal Reserve Board.

    • Brian Dunning says:

      I am curious what steps you took to inform yourself before posting a question like this.

      • sszorin says:

        Do you actually believe this fake “information” ? Man, you are naive and ignorant. You can’t believe every piece of self serving lie spread by the criminal syndicates which run the economic and political systems of the so called democracies. The Federal Reserve is a private banking set-up masquerading as a banking branch of the US government.THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN AUDIT OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. The Fed has always managed to thwart any attempt to do so.
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        And the Fed will thwart any future attempt as well. If D. Trump causes any problems to the Fed then he will be eliminated like J.F. Kennedy was.
        Congressman Ron Paul’s bill of February 4, 2009 to abolish the Federal Reserve Bank. It was defeated by the ‘powers that be’.
        Here is something to think of : Congressman Louis T. McFadden, the Chairman of the Banking and Currency Committee of the US Congress, said in the House of Representatives : “”Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough money to pay the Nation’s debt….
        Some people think the Federal Reserve banks are United States Government institutions. They are not Government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders….
        These twelve private credit monopolies were deceitfully and disloyally foisted upon this country by the bankers who came here from Europe and repaid us for our hospitality by undermining our American institutions. Those bankers took money out of this country to finance Japan in a war against Russia. They created a reign of terror in Russia with our money in order to help that war along. They instigated the separate peace between Germany and Russia and thus drove a wedge between the Allies in the World War. They financed Trotsky’s passage from New York to Russia so that he might assist in the destruction of the Russian Empire. They fomented and instigated the Russian revolution and they placed a large fund of American dollars at Trotsky’s disposal in one of their branch banks in Sweden so that through him Russian homes might be thoroughly broken up and Russian children flung far and wide from their natural protectors. They have since begun the breaking up of American homes and the dispersal of American children….”

        • Richard Gant says:

          So, the rambling screed of a viciously anti-Semitic lunatic who was repudiated by his peers and the electorate is “evidence”?

          But, let’s pretend it is. It raises some questions:

          1. If the FRB really is a private institution, why wouldn’t they just acknowledge it? What is the benefit they derive from deception?
          2. If the FRB really is a private organization, why does the US government tolerate it? The United States has a bigger army than the Fed, if worse comes to worst.
          3. How, exactly, is the FRB “preying” on people? By changing the Fed funds rate, and easing or tightening the money supply?
          4. What would be the benefit, to the FRB or their shadowy International Bank Masters, of breaking up Russian families, leaving Russian children homeless, and creating the Soviet Union?

          • Fred says:

            Why did that poster deserve a cogent reply?

          • Blake H Smith says:

            The federal reserve is only a bank. It has absolutely nothing to do with the government. In 1933 the federal reserve absolutely bought the US debt/gold and silver. When the US went bankrupt the world followed suit. At that point the dollar became super inflatable because it no longer was backed by gold and silver. At that point the US became a corporation, no longer the nation it was founded to be. The only way to gaurentee the repayment of debt was to begin issuing birth certificates as bonds because, to the “fed” what was a dollar? It was worthless paper, they owned the gold. Birth certificates are absolutely traded on stock exchanges. They are valued at a million dollars and gain interest. There is a form called a ucc1. You can do many things with a ucc1, one of which being basically reclaiming your sovereignty. I can understand your ignorance, it’s no fault of your own. But you can most certainly have the US Treasury pay (if you want to call it that) debts using the “money” that has resulted from your birth certificate. The process certainly isn’t easy to understand because it defies everything we have ever known. The gentleman that you wrote this about was ill informed but I’m not sure how to describe you? You seem to have some information but not all. That would be lazy. You seem to have written this to speak negatively about this man, that would be arrogant. You seem to not be willing to learn which would be closed minded. You also seem to have written this pretty aggressively which would suggest you were an angry person. If I were to sum you up I would say that you are angry because you’re arrogant, close minded, ignorant and afraid. I’m not taking a shot at you man I am just trying to figure out how someone who works in the “financial sector” in his “day job” could be so ill informed about the federal reserve. It also makes me curious about what other job you have? If it’s writing windy cut and paste tidbits about subject you know nothing about in order to poke fun at someone who was seeking the truth maybe you should “stick to your day job”.

          • Noah Dillon says:

            If it has nothing to do with the government then why are its members appointed by the president, approved by the Senate, subject to audit or impeachment, and given term limits? What other bank has regulatory authority over other banks? What other bank sets interest rates? Is there any other bank that you know that operates like that? It’s a public-private partnership. The US actually followed on several other countries that had already established central banks and there was a direct correlation between establishing a central bank and ending the Great Depression.

            The rest of your story makes no sense for the reasons outlined in the article. Why would your birth certificate be worth anything more than paper? How do you cash it in and with whom and why? Who do you talk to at Treasury to get paid? I’ll try it tomorrow and report on how it goes.

            And also, accusing someone of being arrogant, afraid, close-minded, and ignorant is totally taking a shot at them.

          • Nick says:

            Couldn’t agree more with Blake.

        • Richard Gant says:

          Also, the Federal Reserve is audited annually, both by the GAO and by an independent auditor.

          • John Freeman says:

            False. The Federal reserve gives the appearance of being audited. And you cited an example from the Federal reserve website. That’s like asking a professional killer if he kills people. I’m not going to call you an idiot, you provided proof that can’t be argued with.

          • Noah Dillon says:

            Actually, even strong critics of the Federal Reserve, such as former Rep. Ron Paul, will tell you that the Fed is audited—at least those who know what they’re talking about. The legislation sought by Paul and Sen. Bernie Sanders changes the way that the Fed is audited and how the results of such an audit are shared. But they acknowledge that audits are being done.

            Please don’t call people idiots on here. Please especially avoid doing that if it’s prefaced with an inaccuracy. (That latter suggestion is for your sake as much as the person you insult.)

          • FnameLname says:

            I have worked for the Federal Reserve Bank as an auditor and we did in fact get audited by internal and external entities.

    • Richard Gant says:

      I’m confused. Are you claiming that a list of the “class A shareholders” of the Federal Reserve Bank would, in and of itself, eliminate the need to write an article disproving the “Jewish International Bankers” racist klarion call? Because you seem to say that, right until you start demanding that I publish nonexistent information.


      Yes. The Federal Reserve Bank doesn’t have shareholders. But here, I’ve done the legwork for you:

      • Richard Gant says:

        Also, the ITS is a bureau of the Department of the Treasury ( The Federal Reserve Bank works with the Department of the Treasury, but is neither subservient to it nor has any authority over it ( They are seperate entities with related missions.

      • John Freeman says:

        Again. Citing examples from in the words of the guilty party. Retarded just doesn’t explain it well enough.

        • Richard Gant says:

          “Guilty party” implies that guilt has been established. It hasn’t. Your only “evidence” – and I hate to stand the word by associating it with your pulling screed – is the faceless maunderings of deranged persons twisting and distorting reality in a fashion most resembling a small child loudly insisting that a burglar entered their room to smear jelly upon the walls. Your response to facts is equally juvenile, the written equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting”I can’t hear you, and you’re a doody-head”.

          You offer no evidence to support your spurious allegations. You offer no convincing explanation of how your illusion of the FRB works, or of how the benefit, or of why they would accept the control of the United States government, or of why the United States government wouldn’t simply kill them all and display their bodies publicalky as a warning to the International Bankers. Your delusions are a tissue paper of inconsistent lies, unable to withstand scrutiny, and your accusation that I am retarded only proves your inability to support or defend your position.

          Please go away, John Freeman. Grown-ups are talking.

    • Lachlan the Sane says:

      This is the most depressingly typical conspiracy theorist I’ve ever seen. They open with a JAQ-off (“Just Asking Questions”), and when their question is immediately and directly refuted, they call the refuting information “fake”. The rational response would have been, “Oh, okay, I guess I’m wrong about that, I will have to update my viewpoint”.

    • Carlton says:

      You are a complete fool if you believe that s*** you wrote

      • Carlton says:

        I Entered social security information on and they gave me different spreadsheets which I’m never invested with Fidelity so there’s no way I should be able to see any Investments whether they were private or public, I was logged into my account I called and asked an associate in a told me that I was just putting in random numbers so I explained that if my numbers that I will put in a random and he was insinuating that I was hacking Fidelity’s system which I informed him that I had no experience in computer hacking then asked me how did I know to put in the numbers in the arrangement I put them in by the way when I put in my numbers it gave me a symbol my symbol is [REDACTED]

        • Noah Dillon says:

          This is very confusing. You were logged into your account but you don’t have an account with Fidelity? Can you give a URL for where you entered you SS number? I don’t understand your story.

        • Richard Gant says:

          I believe I see what happened. You probably entered your SSN on their website in the field labeled “Search or get a quote”, right? And incidentally, I edited your post to remove ticker symbol from the “my symbol is…” statement you made, because you just told the whole internet what your Social Security Number is.

          All securities traded in the United States have a CUSIP Number, an alphanumberic nine character number that is assigned by the Committee on Uniform Security Identification Procedures and is used to identify stocks, bonds, mutual funds, option contracts, and the like.

          Social Security Numbers are also nine character alphanumeric strings.

          Fidelity Investments lists information on 11,522 different mutual funds available for direct purchase by the public on their web site. 2,800 companies trade on the NYSE, 3,100 trade on the NASDAQ, and around 10,000 more trade on the Pink Sheets. Many of these companies, particularly on the big boards, will have multiple issues of stock (including preferred and different classes of common stock). Fidelity Investments also lists about 40,000 different primary and secondary bonds and CDs. All of these securities have a unique nine digit alphanumeric CUSIP. So, just on the Fidelity Investments web site you could easily have a minimum of 67,422 possible matches for a random nine-character string, before you add in those multiple stock classes (Ford has 16, for example, while Alphabet has 3) or the mutual funds they don’t offer for direct purchase by the public.

          You know what else takes the format of a nine-character alphanumeric string? Social Security Numbers. So, if you plug your SSN into a tool designed to search for a nine-character alphanumric string, you have a chance of getting a hit. Not a good one, mind – 67,422/318,900,000 is only a 0.021% chance of getting a match, but still a chance.

          My SSN, for instance, doesn’t match any CUSIPs. Does this mean that I’m not personally traded on the exchanges? Or is it more reasonable to believe that you are one of the ones who matches out of sheer blind chance?

          Also, please don’t go around announcing the symbol you found with that search. I know your SSN now, and I’m trying to forget it.

          • Veronica Woodard says:

            On the Fidelity site. I entered my birth certificate number. It took me to an individual bond site. Granted all I entered was my birth certificate information and the system acknowledged me. Go to Fidelity,com, click research click quotes and enter in your bc number in the field and the truth will be revealed.

          • Noah Dillon says:

            No results with my SS #. I think there must be some confusion on your part. Can you give the exact web address you’re using?

    • Marcus Vee says:

      Truth and I can run anyones birth certificate and instantly bring up the relative account attached to each and every birth certificate. Mine say it matured after 40 years and has a balance of $80,500 USD. The Birth Certificate is a bond that creates the corporation and the Jewish Families Rothschilds and others mentioned “have” owned the Federal Reserve and the Fractional Reserve Banking system for more than 100 years. That system and those people at the Federal Reserve hold more than 50% of the money in the world and are the direct cause for poverty, hunger, war (which they promote and love as they back both sides as they backed Hitler in the second world war) and need to be taken out ASAP. Whether or not you believe this rant this is true beyond any shred of doubt ~ Watch this ~

      • Noah Dillon says:

        You misunderstand the tool you’re using, as has been explained clearly several times in this comment thread.

        • Samuelle Smith says:

          I have to agree with Noah Dillion I did not see any information regarding bond information. went to fidelity website, did exactly as instructed nothing , no information, of bond. some of the information may true. but the birth certificate movement is not accurate. it would be essential if someone provided, an alternate Investment company to truly substantiate that claim.

  2. Gregory says:

    ““International Bankers”—they mean Jews, don’t they?”

    Has the conspiracy world always been tied up in so much fringe-right bigotry, or is has it really shifted there post-9/11?

    I seem to remember conspiracy in the 90s being much more benign. But I was also fairly young, so if this has always been the standard then I guess it was all going over my head while I delighted at stories of cryptozoological creatures and daydreamed about Polybius.

    • Mudguts says:

      Gregory.. know ones born in the 20’s and thirties… they were barking like that already when I was aware of woo… in the sixties..

      Conspiracism, when you cant resent someone you know..

      • Macky says:

        “..they were barking like that already when I was aware of woo… in the sixties..”

        But you wouldn’t have called it ‘woo’ , only being of primary school age.

  3. Mary de Clerq says:

    It’s also linked to the admiralty law and the so-called sovereign citizen, who then claim that their birth certificate refers to their person but they are separate from the birth certificate. Therefore, they cannot be prosecuted for their traffic infringements, and therefore they are not the persons liable to pay their bonds. And therefore, if you fall behind on your bond payments, you can issue promissory notes. The mind boggles.

    Oh, and this also means that they stand up for the implementing of the original US Constitution, and the resurrection of the old Republic. You will find them as the “we, the citizens” calling on some admiral to arrest the cabal, starting with Obama. It is curious what the situation will be once the new president is sworn in. Oh, because they are also against the new world order that has been concocted by George Soros, Bill Gates, “Barry Soetoro” (because Obama isnt Obama), and the Clintons.

    The mind truly boggles.

  4. Menzo says:

    You truly are a financial geek. TMI to the extreme. What I wanted to know almost immediately, but never got answer to, is what is the motivation for a person to post a website about “birth certificate bonds”? Is this a scam or some kind of a silly joke or a conspiracy theory?

    • Richard Gant says:

      Yeah, finance is certainly listed amongst my many geekdoms. So I very well may have wandered down the TMI Highway.

      As far as their motivation is concerned, though? I don’t really know. I think it’s a general “wake up sheeple!” but it never occurred to me to write about it. Which, in retrospect, is a pity – it helps to understand their viewpoint to talk to them about it, doesn’t it?

      You may have just inspired my next article. Thank you!

  5. Barry says:

    sszorin reminbds me of a guy I met at a party a couple of years ago. I was left shaking my head then too.

  6. WorkingInACopShop says:

    Every time I think I’ve seen the most idiotic thing ever produced from a human mind, I find one even more idiotic.

    I guess my paternal grandfather was not included in this slavery issue: he didn’t have a birth certificate.

    No conspiracy is perfect, I guess.

  7. CFloRam says:

    Richard Grant, you are right. But save ur breath in explaining this to the people that seem to think this is realistic. It’s sad and funny at the same time. Idea for the d*******s… make fake birth certificates, you will be so rich! Think of us “non-believers” as we struggle working for the government. #the struggle is real

  8. Jim says:

    Your birth certificate is a bond d*****s. Your life is what backs the dollar ever since we went from the gold standard. Though you won’t get a penny for it you can use it to refer any bill you possess to the IRS just to add to the national debt since it makes you a agent with the power to do so.

    • Noah Dillon says:

      That makes no sense. Nothing “backs” the dollar. When gold backed the dollar, you could exchange a bill for a certain amount of gold. Are you saying you can exchange your life, or a portion thereof, for cash? No. That would be nonsensical. I can refer any bill to the IRS? Where do I send my student loans and rent? Can you give me the address?

  9. Nathan Decker says:

    People want to believe the government is all powerful so they can blame their life on something else out of their control.

  10. Andy-Drew says:

    I have a hunch that this theory may have originated with the fact that some (all?) US birth certificates have “American Bank Note Company” engraved on them in very small type. I know for a fact that a conspiracy theory exists that this engraving is proof that a bank owns the person identified on the birth certificate. The idea that there exists a secret account in the bearer’s name worth millions seems to be an illogical extension of the aforementioned illogical theory.
    When I want to live in a fantasy of my own creation, I pretend to be irresistible to women. “All the girls are in love with me, I’m a teenage lobotomy”

    • John Sawyer says:

      And to explain what the American Bank Note Company is, I’ll quote from its article on Wikipedia:

      “The American Bank Note Company was a major worldwide engraver of national currency and postage stamps. Currently it engraves and prints stock and bond certificates. It is based in Fort Lee, New Jersey.”

      “Today, following a variety of financial transformations, the American Banknote Corporation produces a wide variety of secure and official documents. With operations in Australia, New Zealand, United States, Canada, South Africa, Czech Republic, England and France, its products range from currencies and credit cards to passports, driver’s licenses, and birth certificates.”

      Apparently some people who don’t understand how things work, think that if a printing company’s products include financially-related materials, that everything that company prints must somehow be financially related.

  11. Clinton says:

    Why is my birth certificate printed on bond paper? It says northwest bank note on the bottom.

  12. Don’t believe that your birth certificate is held as a bond. But, I believe that your social security number is possibly used loosely as a form of bonding. Banks will not loan money unless you can prove that you have equity and or a good job. So that being the case, why would the world banking community (like “our” central bank, the Federal Reserve) loan our country money? I could see them loan money against an individual American’s value in perceived future tax to be paid.

    • Katrina Butler says:

      I don’t know guys…. I actually looked up the number on my birth certificate on the treasury site. And it pulled up an amount… my brother did the same as well. I also checked my two children and their numbers came up as well…

      Has anyone on here attempted to look up their numbers to see what happens?

      • Noah Dillon says:

        What’s the website?

      • Richard Gant says:

        What do you mean by “treasury site”, and can you provide a link and/or instructions? I’ e looked over the US Treasury’s web site and can’t really find anything.

        • Jess says:

          Go to this website, you should have a number in red or black ink on the bottom left hand side of your birth certificate. Enter that number into the field marked “Bond Serial number”
          The issue date would be the month/year of your birth.

          Maybe you can shed some insight on this? Is this a fake website? Or what is actually coming up when searching for a bond with a number on our birth certificate?

          My number has 5 digits and it’s pretty coincidental that those 5 digits coupled with my date of birth would bring up evidence of a bond, no?

          • Jess says:

            Make sure the denomination is set to $10,000

          • Noah Dillon says:

            Interesting. Richard will have a better idea of what’s going on here, I think. It doesn’t seem to be a fake website. It’s got a .gov domain name. It’s not a Fidelity site, as many people in this thread have claimed. I don’t have my birth certificate in front of me, so first I tried with my SS# and birth month/year. It got a match. Then I just tried with random numbers, including 12345 and 123456 and 00001 and years and months that are not my birth year or month, and I got more matches, no matter which numbers, how many, or the month and year. So it’s not a calculator for a “birth certificate bond.” I don’t know what a paper savings bond is exactly. And I don’t know what this tool is. Richard might.

            Also: some of these valuations are low. If they value my life at some of these amounts then I make more than the value of my bond every few days with an hourly wage, which doesn’t make sense. I think that would screw up any other market. Like if you value a piece of real estate at $100 total, but it rents for $50 a week, then someone has valued something wrong and there should be a market correction to find the right value. And any actuary would tell you that a human life, their earning potential, is more than what’s listed here, by several orders of magnitude.

            One other thing we should note is that birth certificates aren’t issued by the federal government. They’re issued by local state authorities. So it’s not like the federal government could even automatically link a bond (which, like, the financial mechanism of a bond, as explained by Richard, doesn’t really seem to make sense because who owns it and how do they cash in?), even if this was a real thing, which it’s obviously not.

            Does all that make sense?

          • Mark says:

            I went to this website and entered a series of random serial numbers in this online tool and each one returned a bond value, even when I entered no serial number at all.

            My theory is this bond checker has no links to any bond database and simply derives an estimated value following a simple formula. This is probably the same for other online bond checkers.

          • Noah Dillon says:

            That was my guess. It’s based more on date than anything else.

          • Richard Gant says:

            That is a calculator for the value of savings bonds (not the Treasury bills and notes, but the little $20 to $100 face value things like the Series EE bonds you can redeem at a bank). They are bought at a discount and accrue value until and then after maturity.

            The calculator takes the serial number of the savings bond, and tells you what it is valued at. It, as they teach programmers, “garbage in, garbage out”. If you feed in a random sequence of digits that fits the format, you’ll likely get a hit. Try it with the VIN of your car, or the serial number of your hard drive, or some other sequence you find somewhere. UPCs, maybe.

            A hit doesn’t mean your car, your hard drive, your Twinkies, or your birth certificate is a bond. It means you’re feeding noise into a computer, and it’s trying to do its job with bad data.

      • Amy says:

        what site did you use?

    • Nathan Decker says:

      People lent money before SSN’s were a thing. Banks lend money on the ability to pay it back. Your Credit report “how trustworthy are you to pay back” is tied to your SSN mainly because it follows you even if you change names. I don’t believe any country has used people to pay a debt as a normal currency. Maybe slave but they are not your own countrymen. Is Mexico Paying the USA for the wall with people? That would be some irony if that were true.

  13. Michelle Thompson-Perez says:

    I don’t believe this passage.

  14. andrew orillion says:

    And what if you’re an American citizen with a foreign birth certificate? I was born in Saudi Arabia to American parents. As a result, I have a Saudi Arabian birth certificate. How would this conspiracy theory cover that? Would my “Certificate of Live Birth” from the State Department be my bond?

  15. Dohio says:

    I looked up my birth certificate and saw exactly how much interest it accrued and looked at the graph over a ten year period, if this isn’t being tradedone on the stock I’m a fool, because I have other stock and it reads just like a traded stock. So, you are very wrong in saying it’s not a bond.

  16. Jan men says:

    How can I find what iam worth

    • Noah Dillon says:

      The people posting these claims refuse to give a URL. This is likely because it’s a scam. They probably want you to do a Google search, find their website, give your social security number (DO NOT DO THAT) and they’ll either try to pump you for money or steal your identity. This looks very shady and should, I think, be counted as more evidence that this birth certificate nonsense is garbage that makes no sense.

    • Richard Gant says:

      Check your bank account.

  17. christian vatican says:

    hehe haha you guys are funny, the USA and the United States of America are 2 very different entities, The USA is only NASA (The Brains), GSA (Administration) and Department of Defense (The Muscle) thats all, look it up, its in federal codes and regulations, the United States of America Government is just a corporation like all Governments borrowing money through the USA because they are the 3 arms of the US Treasury. just look it up its not a secret, geez im on the other side of the earth and i know more bout the states then the american people do, but in saying that you guys probably know more bout New Zealand then I do lol a broker wouldn’t know about this stuff cause if he did he wouldn’t be a broker, and the person that rang him was a idiot that didn’t know who to ring regarding his situation.

    FYI do everything in honor, do not think you can get cash and blow it on rubbish like cars, the people that give your your freedom can take it away, treat everyone with respect and forgive those who know not what they do such as (officials) no one should be punished by another man for doing their jobs, at the end of the day they to need to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads. by the way – over half of every countries population works for the government of their country. most countries are on the federal register therefore what ever GSA administrates all countries must make change and follow their leaders. As for birth certificates just study how your government works and do the exact same as they do in order to take control of your bonds, it does cost but it is worth it in the end.

  18. christian vatican says:

    by the way – the federal reserve is nothing compared to the Treasury, While the Treasury has been around governments have come and gone, federal reserve and banks have come and gone, yet still there sits the treasury, everything between you and the treasury are almost like devils advocates, self governance starts with you in your individual private self hint hint.

  19. says:

    It makes perfect sense since we left the golden silver standard and the only asset our country had was living human beings so they collateralized you monetize to you for the national debt the one thing that you’re leaving out is just for a belongs to migrate God we are all inheritors kings and queens of the earth God never said one or 2% of the population should hold everything in everybody else should be poor and slaves always remember that

    • Noah Dillon says:

      Actually it doesn’t make any sense at all. Who is in debt to whom in this situation that they use humans as collateral? If you look at the archaeological record, every civilization on Earth through most of human history has used fiat currency of some kind or another: small strips of leather or cloth, gigantic stones, notched branches, tickets, chits, talents, promissory notes, pieces of cinnabar, and so on and so on. Gold and silver, too, have no intrinsic value except what they are worth in a market and using them produces all kinds of problems. Substituting people doesn’t solve those problems. Imagine you were indebted to someone and the collateral died. Where’s your debt now? And again, who is in debt to whom that they can trade people?

      • Isthisforreal says:

        I looked the number that is on our birth certificates up on mine, my wife’s, and one of my sons on the site. Both mine and my wife’s had a 30 year maturity date and we’re matured and my sons is currently circulating in a money market account. All were located and all were generated at the birth time. YouTube has a tutorial on how to look yours up. You should do so too. I was very surprised that it was true. The red number on the back of your ss card is also linked to the bonds. Very deep stuff. I saw it with my own eyes. So how do we collect on that. It seems we are the certificate holder if it’s in our possession. Check it out and leave your thoughts once you find yours on the site.

        • Noah Dillon says:

          Yeah, but as I pointed out above, I did try it, and the quote it generated was for a very small amount, way less than I make in a week at my job. So that can’t be an accurate value of my life. I also generated quotes using random numbers and dates. I plugged in my same number with a different date and got a different quote; that shouldn’t happen, obviously, since I was only born once. It’s for treasury notes, I think. You pulling up values for numbers and dates doesn’t make it true that your birth certificate is a bond. It means that you misunderstand what this website is that you’re dealing with.

          • Isthisforreal says:

            Well then please explain to me why when I put in the number in red on the back of my ss card as an additional search it pulled up the same bond exact same amount and same dates. I’m also as skeptic on the whole idea of it but when I searched both and they were the exact same how random is that?

          • Noah Dillon says:

            Well, one explanation would be the law of large numbers. Another would be coincidence. Another would be that you and I don’t know what we’re looking at. I don’t know what an EE bond is. Do you? You can look at the explanation on the Treasury Department’s website. I started to, but it was boring and I quit, since it didn’t say anything like: “EE bonds are people. You can look up how much you’re valued by the people who secretly control you, using this publicly available tool.” Since when were you given any easy-to-use tools to look up ostensibly secret enslaving information?

            So, I used the number on the back of my SS card. It gave the same result as the others I’d gotten by plugging in my SS#. It was also less than $200, which again wouldn’t make sense for the value of a person age 34 with an hourly wage of $40 working a full-time job and some minimal assets.

            One thing I notice in playing around with this is that it’s actually pretty clear what’s going on. OK, here’s how I think the results work:
            I noticed that if I plug in dates that are progressively more recent, the value gets lower and lower. That’s because those bonds would have accrued less interest and would be worth less. The value of the bond is put in by the owner on the left: $10 to 10,000. That’s the initial cost of the bond. If I bought a $50 treasury bond in 1983, it’s worth $140 today, right? If you select $10,000, you’re telling the calculator that you bought a bond worth $10,000 on X date/year, please multiply that by the interest rate and tell me how much it’s worth. The life of the bond is 30 years, so anything older than 30 years is listed as mature. (We usually consider people mature after 18 years.)

            Have you tried playing around with the calculator and trying different combinations of dates and numbers? Like, again, if this is what you claim it is, it shouldn’t have multiple entries for my same SS or birth certificate number for different years. Nonetheless, it gives calculations for that for any year I enter. I’d bet I could get a value of a $10 bond with my number for last year. And I can! It logs your entries in a table below so that you can look at them and think about their significance and relation. That’s all I did. You can also look up what an EE bond is, or ask a financial professional. You could also consider that secret enslavers probably wouldn’t give you a tool to tally your value so that you can say the magic words and beat them at their inexplicable and illogical plan. So there’s that, too, weighing against this idea.

  20. Shakir says:

    The BEST Phrase in this whole article is the last line that says: “you should not believe everything you read on the Internet”…Its not only the TRUEST Statement that was made in this article it is also an Encouragement to all those that wasted the 10-15 minutes it took to read this article…The Birth Certificate Bond is more Genuine that the FRNS we use on a daily basis..One can easily find the worth of their Birth Certificate Bond by simply getting the CUSIP Number for it…And This is NOT just some theory, I’m speaking from EXPERIENCE…Grace and Peace

  21. Nick says:

    I know someone that is claming their a birth certificate bond and that his wife work at the world court. I do not think his wife work at the world court because she been telling him about birth certificate bond.

  22. Michael Adrian O'Neill says:

    “Antisemitism is the ugly live-in boyfriend of the conspiracy theorist.” :’D Amazing quote. Amazing! Pretty sure (and hope) that one’s locked in my brain forever.

  23. Marcus Vee says:

    Rothschilds own you, The Federal Reserve, Every Central Bank in every country in the world, a monopoly on manufacturing money out of thin air with nothing backing it, Fractional Reserve Lending and don’t care who Governments are as long as they control the money creation and supply of every country in the World

    • David Fulton says:

      Wow… you’d think this cabal you’re talking about would be a bit better organized then. It seems they aren’t doing their job very well.

      Here what will happen: I will say “But what about Brexit?” and you will say “oh, that’s that the cabal playing the long game.” I will say “But what about 9/11?” “Oh, that’s the cabal using radial Muslims to do their dirty work.” I will say “But what about Trump?” and you will say “oh that’s just the Russian arm of the cabal shoring up it’s power in the US” and then I will say “But what about the failure of Trump’s health care plan?” and you will say “oh, that’s just a false flag to make you think Trump is a fool.”

      In other words, whatever is going on in the world can be easily shoe-horned into the the conspiracy theory. You are the enlightened, and we are the cuckolds of history, right? What this is called is the sharp-shooter’s fallacy. If you understood that you’d living the life you think you’re living now.

    • Richard Gant says:

      Chi bono, then? What benefit do they derive? How do they wield their power? How do Governors of the FederL Rwserve live in defiance of the US government? What happens if the US government defaults? How will they collect?

  24. SmokeyOne says:

    The time has come where the people that claim to be level-headed and not fool enough to believe in conspiracy theories, have become the few as the truth prevails. Always so high on horse looking down at the poor grammar of tin hat wearing people. To all of you who talk down to people that have been brave enough to speak up about truths that have got many killed, your day is here to eat crow. I will have fun watching you, as you try to save face, but cannot because you are the ones who are actually without knowledge. The so called conspiracy theories are being proven every day. Some may be a little off, but they will soon get it straight because they are reading the laws. You self-proclaimed level-headed but arrogant fools ought to quit asking questions on the internet and read..The indenture Act, The Securities Act, the securities exchange act, Trading with the Enemy Act, the Federal Reserve Act, the united states code, the federal code of regulation, the UCC laws, The Merchant Law, Trust Law, I could go on as I have read them and I have claimed my title/Birth Certificate. The Birth Certificate means a lot of things. recording the birth of life is not one of them.(that would be a different form called “the record of live birth”) The BC is evidence that something belongs to you, your securities. Now, all you who are too smart to believe in such foolishness like the truth, can start back pedaling. Turns out your worst fear came true and you can’t do anything about it. You proved to us all that you are a fool. The longer you ignore the truth the more foolish you become. Non-believers its over. You are the few and the truth seekers (not tin hat wearing conspiracy nuts) are the many. Reap it.

    • Noah Dillon says:

      My worst fear is not that I can present my birth certificate somewhere and cash out free money. My worst fear is that I somehow get a terrible head wound and I become brain damaged and sit in a chair drooling for the rest of my life. My second worst fear is falling down when I’m riding my bike and I hit the curb and break all my teeth and it hurts a lot.

      Believing your birth certificate is a surety for cash isn’t scary. It’s more just silly. You can chastise people and recite the names of legislation, but it actually doesn’t mean anything. You might as well stick a grocery list in there, too.

  25. Royal Summers says:

    What confuses me is I looked up my birth certificate on q financial website and I saw a bond with a value that has matured. Any clues?

    • Noah Dillon says:

      It’s a misunderstanding. See the explanation in the comments thread. That is not a valuation of an actual bond and and you can figure it out by plugging in random numbers and dates. If you want a full explanation, see the comments thread.

      • Royal says:

        Thanks for taking the time to respond. I was more concerned specifically with what it means to have my birth certificate details tied to a bond. I don’t know which comments to read; not going to read the entire conversation thread. If there’s no answer then that’s okay.

  26. David Fulton says:

    It is interesting to me, from a meta-discursive point of view, to observe the conspiracy theorist playbook in action. What is intriguing to me is how the CT claims to have “secret knowledge” of cabals and shady doings and then supplies as evidence a website, blog, podcast, or video of someone who is essentially just parroting what the CT claimed. OR, they read something that is completely innocuous, boring,and publicly available document that supposedly “blows the lid” off of prevailing wisdom which turns out to be as innocuous, boring, blah-blah-blah as it seems. How is misreading and misunderstanding tantamount to evidence?

    Conspiracy Theorist love their fantasy because it gives their lives meaning and purpose. The more they are challenged, the greater the eventual vindication, right? It’s like waiting for The Rapture. They are the saved and we are the suckers. I know they are lost causes, but I’m just thinking of the children. Why won’t someone think of the children?!?!?!

  27. Zachary says: people should read this it explains where they get this idea from

  28. Hiram Abiff says:

    Your statement is not true and you are like a mason in the lodge keeping secrets from the mentally blind people to the now cooperate American and shadowed run system! The people are slowly waking up. Example the IRS is a private entity! Incorporated in 1933 in Dover Delaware a copy can be obtain by calling the secretary of states office for less than $20 bucks. Stop the lies The people will soon all wake up and move the liars out and establish it back as the founding fathers had desired before the crooked Jacobites took control through the banks and publishing federal reserve notes etc.
    Im with Solomon God in Person!

  29. HChar says:

    Did anyone contact and ask what the name is on the bond associated with your certificate number? I am about to do that I checked mine, my husband and our children and each certificate number (number on birth certificate) bought up a bond that was originated the same month and year we are all born. Is that is coincidence?

    • Noah Dillon says:

      Yes. Please see the comments in the thread above. It’s a simple calculator and does not access any specific bond. It just calculates the value of a bond issued in the year you put in. If you try different numbers with the same year it’ll return the same amount. You can put your birth certificate number as 00000, or as 1234, or 1919193412341, or even “qqqqqqq” and if you put the same year it will return the same result. If you put in an earlier year, the result will be larger. If you put in a more recent year, the amount will be smaller. If you put in a year greater than 30 years ago the bond will be listed as mature. This has nothing to do with you or your birth certificate. It’s just a calculator for bond interest.

  30. B.B. says:

    The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something…that you know nothing about…yet refuse to investigate….

    • Noah Dillon says:

      Who says this hasn’t been investigated. People have looked at these claims and they don’t make sense. The ultimate ignorance seems to me to hold onto a belief in the face of lots and lots of evidence against it and zero evidence for it.

      • The.Fuzzy.One says:

        don’t take this as argument for one side or the other, just simply an observation that your comment is flawed-
        -if we worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true really is true, then we would have little hope for advance. -Orville Wright

        sometimes truth starts as fantasy and ends crazier than fiction. On this topic, I don’t know until I’ve exhausted all resources available. Maybe you have? Is my income tax a collection on the worth of my individual debt? Is it maybe not a bond but a promissory note of collectible tax when matured, at 18? Are population growth plans really business strategies to increase tax revenue (debtors payment)?

        I don’t know any of this to be true….about 10 minutes of logical thought and a little research at least warrants more research for me. Will I? Do I want to know an ugly truth that would devalue my entire life, the life of my children? Maybe I’m better off not knowing <—that statement is ultimate ignorance

        • Noah Dillon says:

          OK, but if we take as a precept that what appears to be true is actually false, or vice versa, then we’re likely to get into trouble, too. And if you just do some thinking and even play with these websites a little bit, you’ll find there’s no evidence to support the claim that birth certificates are bonds. We’re usually best served by believing strong evidence. True evidence can be crazier than fiction. But no evidence is no evidence. And there’s no evidence for this stuff.

          I don’t know how to answer the rest of your remark. It posits a few outlandish and unlikely questions, and then refuses to answer them because you wish to remain ignorant, lest you find out something upsetting. It’s like a person who refuses to go see a doctor because of a pain in their side, fearing it might be cancer, and ends up dying of a burst appendix. They have misunderstood what they believe to be true, refused to find out more, and have suffered because of their ignorance. What a terrible way to live! You’re liable to get yourself into all sorts of needless trouble and heartache.

          So what good does it do you to believe that something might be true and have no evidence? What decisions are you making on the fearful and admittedly ignorant notion that… I don’t even follow the reasoning: the you are somehow collateral by one party to someone else and you pay taxes for some reason because of this…? Like, I don’t even get how and to whom the money flows in this transaction. So what do you get out of believing that and refusing to have it verified or falsified?

          Is your income tax a collection on the worth of your individual debt? No, it’s a tax levied on your income. Rich people aren’t more in debt and poor people aren’t less. They just have more or less income. And certain sweetheart activities are taxed less. You don’t need any information about your birth certificate to answer this question. All you have to do is think about taxes and deductions. Is it a promissory note that matures at 18 years? Uh… Probably not. These websites, like the Treasury site and stuff, give a maturity date of 30 years, which is typical of a bond. But if you plug in any number, or letters, and a 30-year date, it’ll say the thing’s mature, since it’s calculating only using the date, not the number of your BC or SS card or anything else. You can test this yourself, as described in the thread, repeatedly. You can also consider that 18 is a much more recent understanding of adulthood and doesn’t hold true for a lot of stuff. Buying cigarettes in a lot of places, yes. Driving a car happens at 15 or 16. Age of consent is typically 16, 17, or 18. Voting used to be 21 until the Vietnam War, I believe, when it was lowered to account for young people who had strong opinions about the draft. The age of buying alcohol has been raised from anything to 18 to 21. None of these things coincides with any big changes to the US economic system, whether the Federal Reserve System or anything else. So why anyone would arbitrarily tie a bond to them, or how, is beyond me. Are population growth plans really business strategies? I don’t know what that means. The rate of US population growth has been shrinking, and if continues this way then the population could start shrinking within a few decades. And there are way easier and more direct ways to expand tax revenue than by expanding population. You can probably think of a few right now. But why anyone in power would want to do that is unclear, too. You’d only want to expand tax revenue if you want to A) try to balance the federal budget (which seems unlikely) or B) have more money to spend on the public (which seems basically benevolent). And what having a “birth certificate bond” has to do with any of that is mysterious to me.

          (By the way, you don’t have to exhaust all the resources available. You can just look at the facts and think rationally about them, rather than more and more outlandish and esoteric pseudo-financial explanations. If it’s false on the face and the truth stands up to scrutiny pretty well, it’s unlikely to collapse as the hypothesis gets more and more complicated and arcane and jargony.)

          • The.Fuzzy.One says:

            OK, but, I think you missed my point. I read the through the entire thread, didn’t recognize BB as a contributor. BB’s statement taken at face value is non biased to the topic. Was it directed at your research? Was a comment deleted I didn’t see?
            The Orville quote essentially means, I’ll find out for myself, you know, believe nothing and test everything. Which, seemed like you did to come to your conclusion. It doesn’t mean that all reality is false, not sure how you got that. Your definition more closely resembles insanity, the same research hoping for different results, or, trying to prove your point to ignorant people, cause you could go insane trying to prove a point to people that aren’t willing to educate themselves. Plus, an ignorant person arguing for truth can be persuaded.
            You’re making yourself crazy defending what is easily found if desired

          • Noah Dillon says:

            I don’t know who or what “BB” is.

            I don’t know what you would want to test here or why you would give credence to something so baldly nonsensical. It’s like if I told you a unicorn could cure cancer because good vibe crystals, would you think that’s a thing you should withhold judgment about until you personally test it? Or take the flipside: should we be skeptical of Canada’s existence because we haven’t personally tested and measured its existence and borders and boundaries and shorelines and population, etc?

            Orville and Wilbur Wright started from some pretty plain principles of engineering and built something that flew. Why would you go farther than them in this circumstance and dispense with first principles of what a birth certificate is and how a bond works?

            Just because you can easily find something on the Internet doesn’t make it real or reliable or true.

            Where did I say that you mean all reality is false? I don’t think you believe that. I think that your questions selectively ignore fundamental facts. I don’t know how or why you think I’m making myself crazy. I’m just asking some pretty fundamental questions, which I think is a step that a lot of people skip when they hear about an exciting conspiracy story, making a bunch of assumptions and post hoc rationalizations to prop up something that’s actually pretty flimsy when you use common sense and maybe a dictionary and encyclopedia.

          • The.Fuzzy.One says:

            Don’t know who BB is or what…..
            B.B. says:
            April 4, 2017 at 10:53 pm
            The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something…that you know nothing about…yet refuse to investigate….
            …ring a bell? the statement you erroneously corrected
            Reality false…
            “if we take as a precept that what appears to be true is actually false, or vice versa, then we’re likely to get into trouble, too”
            you misunderstood the quote, but, since you went further than that, the wright bros. built a flying thing from concept that wasn’t proven. had they not gone further than other people said was possible, and believed to be true, they wouldn’t have made a flying thing, which is an example of why your statement is flawed

            all the things you’re explaining to me are because of the questions that I posed. Rhetorical questions of examples of results of a quick internet search pertaining to the subject. I agree with you, you can’t believe anything on the internet until you test the theory by exhausting the resources, which doesn’t take as long as it sounds for a lot of theories.

            “don’t take this as argument for one side or the other”
            “I don’t know any of this to be true” kinda give you my personal opinion. Null, because of the amount of information available to come to a rational and logical conclusion.
            People keep asking the same question about the calculator hoping for a different answer while you keep explaining the same answer. over and over. that cycle is insane, and a little funny. I just ran my #’s and got results. Care to explain why or would that be crazy?

            You also say you have no idea who or why anyone would do such a thing and ask how they would collect As for who, people are used as commodity every day all over the world. If you don’t believe that, you haven’t done research. Why? Money and Power, don’t be naive. And how? Ever heard of interest? how much do you think the average person finances? are we encouraged to finance? to have credit and debt? does the gov gain from our credit/debt? who does? I may start that theory if it doesn’t exist.
            Less emotion and assumption, more critical thinking
            if you still don’t see it, I’m the fuzzy one

          • Noah Dillon says:

            I was addressing your quote in my response to you. I think I pretty adequately covered my response to B.B.’s comments in my response to B.B.

            The Wright brothers built a flying machine based on physics and engineering and developed from previous innovations. As well, there were others around the world who either preceded them or were contemporaneous with the development of powered heavier-than-air-flight. The quote you listed is nice, but it doesn’t in any way support the claim that birth certificates are bonds or give any reason to believe or assume that they are. And you don’t need to assume anything here: there’s lots of evidence that they are not, in fact, bonds.

            Unlike the Wright bros.’s experiments, there isn’t even a bare shred of anything to support this birth certificate claim. Nothing. You don’t need to “exhaust the resources,” whatever that means, to determine this. You have no opinion of this stuff? Fine. It’s not hard to look at it and figure it out by merely thinking. And you seem to be hinting at a strong opinion for believing the conspiratorial claim.

            Different people keep asking the same question and I direct them to the same answer. Sources of information do this all the time. Do you also call the dictionary writer crazy because everyone wants to know the definition of the same words? No. Those people asking that same question haven’t looked at the comment thread, and they’re asking for information and I help moderate the comments on this blog. So I see the question and point them in the direction of a useful answer. It takes a few seconds and it helps someone. What’s controversial?

            OK, so since you’ve likely seen my answer, I guess I don’t have to describe the reason your number got results: every number gets results. Plug in your number with a different birthdate. Plug in your birthdate, but where you put the birth certificate number just put letters. Put too few numbers or too many. It’s multiplying the base value ($50–100,000, your choice) that you select by an interest rate and the number of years since the date you put in. That’s all it’s doing. It doesn’t have a database of bond numbers. If it did then letters and lots of numbers or not enough numbers wouldn’t work. I put in my BC number and tried it with my birthdate. Then I tried it with earlier and later dates. All of them got hits. I chose a value of $50 and I chose one of $100,000. Those were all there. But I was only born once and if this conspiracy is true then I should have only one bond, right?

            I don’t know what that last paragraph means. It’s really vague. I know what interest is. I know what money and power are. There are lots of financial tools available to typical Americans. Then it gets more vague. What are you getting at? You haven’t described anything concrete. Power, money, interest, credit, debt—these are all words! What’s their relation? I suppose the “theory” you start will string them together for us.

            Yeah, man, more critical thinking. It’s desperately needed. I don’t see it at all here.

  31. Candee says:

    Yea don’t believe everything on the internet like this smh because this could be b******t too how do I know your telling the truth

    • Noah Dillon says:

      It’s unclear who you’re talking to, but you can figure out if this is true or not by doing some reading and logically, rationally, skeptically thinking about what’s being claimed. The idea that a birth certificate is a financial instrument doesn’t make any sense at all in any way, shape, or form, as noted in this blog post and in the comment thread. They’re not issued by one authority, they’re not connected to the Treasury, who would buy it and who would sell it is never explained, why you need a physical object to base it on doesn’t make any sense, and so on and so on. And the claims that people have cashed in their birth certificates are always fraudulent or vague. Find a person who succeeded and interview them, I challenge you. They don’t exist.

      So it’s not hard to determine the truth if you just ask some sensical questions and look for answers rationally.

  32. Sandra Morgan says:

    Can anyone tell me then why when I search the number on my Birth Certificate on Fidelity’s website I am able to pull up information that indicates this IS some type of bond with BILLIONS of dollars in this account?
    I am not saying any conspiracy theory is valid I only wish to understand why I am able to search and find my birth certificate and those of my family members as well on many sites such as Fidelity.

    • Noah Dillon says:

      The answer has been given several times in this comment thread and you could probably figure it out on your own by plugging in random numbers, even letters, on the site. It calculates a value based on age, nothing else.

  33. You are issued a Social Security number at birth which ties you into the IRS for tax purposes. If birth certificates aren’t a bond, then this number given to you certainly ties you into the Federal Reserve’s system of loaning money to this country and you the tax payer being on the hook for it. Call it what you will but this number acts like a bond number upon your name, spelled in capital letters like a corporation. Banks typically won’t lend money out unless you have some sort of collateral. You as an individual will work around forty years of your life and pay taxes every year that you work. This could be looked at as a form of bond to “The Fed” and used to loan money against for this country to use to run its affairs. You will produce approximately “X” amount of dollars in taxes through out your life time, so that money could be viewed as collateral for the foreign central bank, The Federal Reserve to loan against. So if your birth certificate is not a bond, then your Social Security card my actually be a bond used upon you.

  34. Damon Bailey says:

    Regardless of who wants to believe and who doesn’t isn’t the fact of the matter to me…This ridiculous article is the basis of someone who doesn’t even believe in commerce!! The UCC is the evidence that contracts are very relevant in this quote on quote nonsense about the birth certificate I just read…further more I’m a secure party and yes it is correct that your birth certificate is a bond and currently a trust that if you don’t put a lien on the instrument you’ll continue being a debtor…it’s a fact that only 2 kind of people exist in commerce “creditors” and “debtors” if one choose to stay ignorant you will always be a liability also adding insult to injury makes your ignorance very clear to the public ridiculing your character which I applaud for I wouldn’t have had the balls to post a bunch of bolony even with a strawman/debtor signature…to conclude and wrap this up…I know you “you” won’t justify and certify this article where did you even come up with this voided theory

    • Noah Dillon says:

      So if we have a commercial transaction and I sell you a stick of gum for a penny, who’s the debtor and who’s the creditor?

      • TheIllusionOfReason/OperationRedDress says:

        The stick of gum wasnt loaned so there is no creditor or debtor, just a transaction in commerce

  35. Jason says:

    The only way I’d believe i have a $ sign on my head, is if people really come forward with proof, they’ve been paid. I need to see the proof. So far, nobody has showed proof of anything related on the subject.

    • TheIllusionOfReason/OperationRedDress says:

      i would have to agree with Jason but on the other side of the shiny silver coin i could understand if people who got the money didnt come forward in fear, if you start telling people how to get the cash the government corporation is trying to hide then you wont have a dollar sign on your head, what will be on your head is a little red dot with someones eye on the other end in a scope and an ichy finger – besides as far as “money” is concerned let me fix this for everyone ok, there is no money that is “ours”, sure they may have assumed a point value on what we are capable of earning as individuals in a life time and then maybe borrowed off of the theory from “people” who are willing to gamble with investments but nothing real exist that we can claim. what there is, is a 25 year maturity bond in the amount of $100,000,000 that anyone can borrow from (after painstakingly blueprinting a plan/offer for loan) and the reason this is possible – because of this parcel of earth known as “the land of opportunity”

  36. Davis says:

    They final attempt to get you not to look for yourself

    • TheIllusionOfReason/OperationRedDress says:

      “The truth is what you determine it to be and the facts lay not in the knowing but in the telling” Ive had a pretty interesting time reading all of this, at first i read Mr. Grants introduction into the subject with no judgement and then after reading further i find Mr. Grant mostly asking instigating questions; i thought to myself this is strange, who is this guy really, is he a “PHISHERMAN”, is he someone who plays the role of something else in order to get intel on what everyone else is figuring out so that plans can be executed to “re-invent” the future? I dont care to be honest, im not going to waste my time trying to figure out his identity, but i would like to comment on all of this if you fine gentlemen would allow me to. BRB

      • TheIllusionOfReason/OperationRedDress says:

        Lets go to the facts shall we, AND I SAY FACTS WITH THE UPMOST RESPECT – There is the Birth Certificate (all capitol letter “corporation/government created fiction”) and the Certificate of Live Birth (on bank stock paper) its on bank stock paper, not only because we are capable of producing goods but also because we here in america are considered collateral for world affairs (stock market/investments/charge backs etc… “cattle”). I mean lets be honest, who needs a certificate to claim we exist, our existance is proof enough. Heres a better example, IN FACT, lets say John Doe works for someone for 1 year and then works for himself for the next 20, well well Mr John Doe has done quite well for himself hasnt he and he doesnt even owe anyone anything for his time, —U.S.A. bought & built with borrowed money from the Crown— JOHN DOE works for a year and wether or not he continues to work for someone else or for himself or desides he doesnt want to work at all JOHN DOE pays taxes “give the King his taxes” as they use to say. The reason for the remedies and “reversing” the paper work, simply put, is because everyone who assumed power over us did not have our consent to do so. The real threat is everyone reversing the paperwork – the U.S.A. not being able to pay back loans – and finally the fear of not getting back the loans and loosing an investment made 2000+ years ago.”THERE ARE NO CONSPIRACY THEORIES, ONLY HIDDEN TRUTHS”. Welcome to the Commercial Circus

  37. Ashley Garrison says:

    Um my numbers match cusip numbers on fidelity and so does everyone I knows numbers match cusip numbers. So I don’t know if you just suck at any real research or if your just here to continue the lie.? If you are not a liar then I’m sure I’ll get a response.

    • Noah Dillon says:

      This question has been answered repeatedly in the comment thread, so you don’t need to assume anyone’s a liar. You can just read a little more closely. Try this with the Fidelity website: try putting any numbers in the bond number. Try putting in more or less than are on your birth certificate. Try putting letters in. Try using the same numbers but changing the date. You’ll find it’s a simple calculator that takes the number of years since the date entered and multiplies by an interest rate. It’s not actually looking up any specific bonds.

      Now who “sucks at any real research”? You could have figured this out on your own if you’d approached the problem and that website more critically and skeptically. Everyone’s smart enough to figure this stuff out. You could have also just read this and some other stuff more carefully, rather than skipping straight to accusations of lying or incompetence, which is just mean.

  38. Simon says:

    Please, anybody, can anyone who ‘believes’ this stuff just give some rational arguments, with facts, figures, and relevant URLs…

    Every time a reasonably presented argument seems to appear, along comes someone with the rationale ‘but I KNOW it’s a conspiracy’ and then proceeds to spout a string of bumf without support, or simply reiterate what has been already covered in previous posts.

    I was born in New Zealand, have worked and paid taxes in the UK for the last 20 years, and lived in Germany for the last 5 years. Anyone like to tell me where my birth bond is held, and who is benefiting from that? Or am i missing something that only affects the US citizens, and the ‘banking cabal’ only has designs on them? In which case, I’ll sleep easy tonight… until Im trolled about my ignorance, from unsubstantiated sources!

  39. Simon says:

    Oh, sorry, if i may be a little caustic, this is ONLY about the US, right? Like 10% have passports, and only 2% of the population have actually been outside their own borders, no? Guys, hate to break your wee bubble, but you don’t make up the majority of the world’s land-mass, population, or even religious affiliations. Sad, I know, but true.

    • The.Fuzzy.One says:

      the US does have the largest wealth and earning potential per citizen, so, it does make it relevant…but, you can find this theory in different blends, Canadian birth bonds, Roman empire where the pope owns everyone, mostly cite international bankers as the culprits.
      not quite sure how travel, land mass, or religion are relevant?

  40. Curtis Williams says:

    My social security card is blank in the area where everbody else have the red letter following numbers. What’s the deal with that?

    • Noah Dillon says:

      The only number that should be on your social security card is your social security number. Many people on this thread have commented on using a number printed on their birth certificate with online bond value calculators provided by the US treasury and Fidelity, but if you look in the rest of the thread you’ll see repeatedly an explanation about how they’re misunderstanding those calculators.

  41. Shane says:

    I cant remember the lady’s name but she has wrote a book about this. It is true she has all the proof. She even got her house for free and her exhusbans house as well. She even went and got credit cards around christmas and maxed them out, some 10 grand and didnt pay them back. When she whent to court about all this debt she collected she simply said take it out of the money the government owes me from my birth certificate and also show me proof that you actually lost money on this and how your business went under because of it. They couldn’t because she proved a point to the judge and the banks that they have already made money by interest from other people so they already got their money just not from her. She also shows court papers ruling in her favor and wiped all her debt clean. I will find out what her name is and the book she wrote about how to use the loop hole in the system in your favor. My grandpa has also used this for him self and it worked. I’m not lieing i was sceptical my self i have no gain from this the only person that does is the author of the book. This is just like you do not need a drivers license to drive your own personal vehicle. Dont believe me look it up.

    • Shane Harvey says:

      Having watched my dad dealing with corporate lawyers, I can at least attest to some of the legal weirdness out there. As far legal loopholes go this one is just reasonably odd if true, but I doubt it. I would love to see you argue your way out of a ticket for driving without a licence. My dad got away with it once, but the cop was a drinking buddy and as pissed as my dad was at the time.

  42. Piper piper says:

    Funny thing here, I have seen it used as bonds to pay many things. UCC is all contract law, read all of Article 9 contract to law and you will be more inclined to not contract again with them under more perpetual fraud.
    Correcting yourselves within the system in the correct manner is the only way. Not UCC.
    There is a Facebook group called legal deception and one called redemption in equity
    These are the only ones who know “how” in the right manner. Wanna be free?? No. You’ll always be in the system so it’s a corrective error in every aspect of you that was created against you all your life. So this what needs to be fixed. I won’t get reply from this to read so good luck out there to those who seek the real truth. Cheers

    • Noah Dillon says:

      I’d be interested for you to share more details of how, when, and what for someone used a birth certificate as a bond to buy something. Bonds aren’t typically things you buy stuff with.

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