SKEPTOID BLOG:"Furthermore, I am of the opinion that Carthage should be destroyed"May 10, 2015 Cato the Elder, the Roman statesman who lived from 234 BCE to 149 BCE. Towards the end of his life he kept on insisting that Carthage (Rome’s archenemy), after two previous conflicts, was still a danger to the Republic and needed to be destroyed in a Third Punic War. Most famously, he was known to add as a closing remark to any speech he made, whatever the topic, “Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam” (meaning, "furthermore, I am of the opinion that Carthage should be destroyed").
Recently, at work, we were discussing some changes that really needed to be made to our IT architectural landscape (decommissioning of old spaghetti-like applications and implementing more modern tools). One of the biggest challenges would be to convince senior management that the changesactuallyneeded to be made, and we agreed during that discussion that we would need to repeat that message severaltimes in the months to come. As a history buff, I gave as an example of such tenacity
He got what he wanted posthumously, as Carthage was destroyed and burned to the ground in 146 BCE, and any habitation in the vicinity was forbidden. Any student of Latin has heard this anecdote, and could probably repeat by heart these words. It is indeed a very powerfulstory, but did it really happen? As any good skeptic checking on older stories aboutUFOs or hauntings, we should of course try to check original sources as close as possible to or even from Cato himself. Thisis aproblem, in the case of Cato, as we hardly have any sources from this era. Even worse, we do not seem to have manysecondary sources from a later era (by historians or rhetoricians) describing Cato or this period, as here, too, there arelotsof gaps in the surviving literature. And the quote itself seems to have a lot of variants. Luckily, during my search I stumbled upon a 1934 article by Arthur Little,whichsummarizes best our understanding of the extant literature. The article is behind a paywall and is notcited much, so here is a summary of the main findings.
As a coda to this conclusion, Sylvia Thürlemann (Gymnasium, 1974) went into more detail on the modern reception of this phrase. I cannot track down the original German article atthe moment, but from the citations of this articleI picked up in Google Scholar, I can surmise that she argues that the actual formalized version only appeared first in the 18th century in English and French circles, and only in the 19th century in Germany. She seems to argue that there is a big time gap between Plutarch (and some 4th century writers) and our modern understanding and exact quotation. The story as such, of an aging senator railing tenaciously against what he perceived a critical threat to hishomeland, is still as strong. But it may very well be a rather recent and modern reinterpretation of a rhetorically augmented historical fact. And it shows that studying Latin is still interesting… Thanks to my friend Philippe and his contacts for providing me with literature references. Take a minute and support Skeptoid. The money goes to keep Skeptoid running as a resource of science and skepticism. Remember: all donations and gifts to Skeptoid Media, Inc. are tax deductible under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code (sections 170, 2055, 2106, 2522). @Skeptoid Media, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit |