Oil Pulling Revisited: Where The Danger Lies

This week my social media feed exploded with one particular link to the trend of ” oil pulling.” While Mike Rothschild already did a great job of debunking some of the miracle claims on a Skeptoid blog last year, and Orac poked fun at it as early as 2007, I wanted to point out a few of the details both from the comment section of Mike’s post, as well as the pseudoscience claims in the link I saw this week which are both misleading and possibly dangerous.

If you don’t feel like following the links, here’s the basics of oil pulling: Put a teaspoon or so of coconut oil in your mouth (most sites of course say unrefined and organic because we don’t want any “chemicals” in our chemicals). Swish the oil around for 20 minutes. Spit out all of the “toxins” (I guess coconut oil is toxic?). Then rinse with salt water. Finally do your normal oral hygiene routine. Watch miracles happen – well at least by their claims.

Here’s what I pointed out – of course rinsing your mouth for an extended amount of time is going to improve your oral hygiene. The focus on taking care of your teeth, plus extended mechanical action will of course loosen plaque and bacteria from your teeth. Mechanical action is an important component for removing bacteria. This is why surgeons don’t just run soap over their hands or why we don’t just rinse but instead brush our teeth. Most study on soaps and alcohol-based rubs I looked at conclude that the addition of mechanical action increases the effectiveness of those products. Though just a hypothesis, it would be reasonable to conclude the same effect takes place in oil pulling.

The fad of oil pulling has even caught the attention of local news stations. Most reporters went to local dentists, and most had similar conclusions as I did. The practice itself is pretty safe and not likely to cause harm. It probably does have some effect because it both provides for removing of bacteria and other material from the mouth. It also makes people think about their oral health, so it has a side effect of improved oral health because there is less skipped teeth brushing sessions.

There isn’t any scientific studies proving any of the claims, even the ones with plausibility. The only “studies” are the ones reviewing the Ayurveda literature or small studies from India done under that premise – and they are not very good quality. Basically, this is a classic case of the argument from antiquity, where because someone did it in the past, it must be good. This is also how we know small rocks float. (Update: 8/24/2015 – I wrote a post to address this flippant comment.)

So what’s the harm? Likely, not alot in the practice itself. Though, there are reports of lipid pneumonia being associated with oil pulling. While this isn’t solid evidence of harm, when a certain activity continues to be a source of a certain health issue, it means we should more closely monitor that activity. It will be interesting to see if more reports continue.

There is also harm in the claims and how they relate to inaction. When I point out the excessive claims made by oil pulling proponents, the question usually is “what’s the harm?” There is an entire website dedicated to showing examples of harm in things, including inaction, being harmful. The link on my feed this week is from a website called “Fashion Lush,” making many claims which I find disturbing.

Helps get rid of acne/ eczema/ psoriasis/ & other skin care issues.

While many of these issues are usually pretty harmless and common, it is important to check with your doctor if you suddenly develop these issues because it can be a sign of a more serious issue. Each of these issues have different causes, and there is no plausible mechanism proposed for how cleaning your teeth helps cure these issues. The harm here is thinking oil pulling will cure this, and maybe not finding out there is a more serious issue underlying the condition.

General body detox.

Cures a hangover (hallelujah!!!) & a migraine.

Any time one sees the term “body detox” you should raise your doubt shields. What does this even mean? If your body truly contained toxic levels of anything, you should seek immediate medical help. Other than that, your body does a pretty good job of maintaining the proper levels of things. Some proponents claim the consistency when the oil is spit out is “proof” of toxins coming out. If this is true, it should be easy to test the oil and measure what’s in it. Yet, for some reason these “naturopathic” “doctors” haven’t done these tests.

And even more strange is the idea of curing a hangover. A hangover is a set of symptoms with varying causes. I’m not sure how oil pulling is supposed to attack all of these problems (including dehydration which is one part of it). In reality, the only cure is time.

If you have migraines, I again would see your doctor. Migraines could be a sign of another condition, and even if not can be serious. Just don’t rely on clean teeth to cure it.

Helps with general pain issues.

Manages any weird hormonal imbalances.

If coconut oil contains any hormones, I wouldn’t recommend using it. Use of hormones without monitoring by a doctor can be very dangerous for your health. If it is pulling hormones out of your body, that could be just as dangerous. However, there is a low probability of either happening.

My concern here is again people will replace this with traditional care think oil pulling is a replacement for legitimate, evidence-based medical care. Imagine someone with a thyroid condition, or some other hormonal imbalance for which they are being treated: they start oil pulling and they “feel better,” so they stop taking their medication under the assumption the oil will “keep them balanced.” Now what?

Prevents cavities & gingivitis. Some people even reported it HEALED their cavities?! Not sure about that one… but who knows?!

Actually, science knows. A cavity is damage to the tooth structure, and there is no evidence or method known to regenerate the structure once it has been destroyed. Certainly better oral hygiene could slow or stop the progression of a cavity, and when a tooth is damaged the root structure pulls back from the tooth, thus reducing the pain. So it might feel “healed,” but it really is just being maintained. The concern is because of the damage and without being repaired, the tooth could be weakened and further damaged by use. This could lead to intense pain – and could even lead to serious infections if not properly treated.

My concern is not with the practice of oil pulling. It is with the claims that go with it. There is a possibility there is some direct harm (the pneumonia). It is also likely it is a waste of money as a simple salt water rinse along with the brushing and flossing would have the same effect. I also am concerned with the continued peddling of pseudoscience, which only hurts the overall scientific literacy. I would say there isn’t much harm in doing this, but please don’t believe it is the next miracle cure either. I will just keep brushing and flossing.

Update: A couple of medical professionals have weighed in as well. Dr. Steven Novella reached much the same conclusion in his SBM post on the topic. Dr. Mary Berk-Mooney also weighed in via the comments here. Her Facebook post should be visible, provided you have a Facebook login. 

It seems those within the fields of medicine and dentistry reached similar conclusions. One commenter on Mike’s post noted, as a hygienist, that those who do oil pulling on a regular basis have plaque that is harder to clean than those with normal oral hygiene routines. While just anecdotal – I don’t think ticking off your hygienist is a good idea considering the sharp tools they put in your mouth!


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318 Responses to Oil Pulling Revisited: Where The Danger Lies

  1. argoodlv says:

    FYI FWIW tripped over this article with citations of studies. had no time to go further.

    • Eric Hall says:

      The actual studies cited are the same ones I briefly mentioned and the ones Mike linked to in his article. They are very small, all from India (where the “ancient wisdom” of oil pulling originates) and all contain a level of admitted bias by citing the controversial text this supposedly comes from anyway.

      The other thing that should raise the skeptical senses is the fact the author somehow thinks detoxing is an actual thing that is accomplished by cold sheeting and saunas. Woo to prove woo equals woo.

      • Olivia J. says:

        I’ve had an ongoing “listerine” budget for years. I use it daily and when it runs out, I buy more. I started coconut oil pulling 10 days ago and I see more results than I’ve seen after years of the strong stuff. Specifically, I see a difference in my tongue. The back of my tongue had a coating which is gone. I would feel better about medicine today if there was an effort given to spend money researching less profitable remedies such as oil pulling. There is not. Also, with the FDA in the pockets of pharmaceutical companies, their research is oft times biased and “forced” to produce results that support their bottom line. I do what works for me. I still use listerine and toothpaste every day but I also oil pull daily.

        • Eric Hall says:

          The best part of this comment – is Listerine’s active ingredients contain “oils” in a sense. Derivatives of Thyme and Eucalyptus. So why is special about coconut oil.

          Also, note that mouth rinses are not something actually recommended as standard practice from dentists. If you have some sort of issue, such as difficulty brushing, a dentist my recommend it as part of the routine. Dentists don’t make money off your daily routine. The profit motive is nonsense.

          • William says:

            So you think the trace amounts of oil in Listerine is comparable to a mouthful of pure oil?

          • Cmd says:

            Actually true essential oils help support the healing process in the body. There is a difference in therapeutic oils verses recreational/fragrance/food grade. The oils in listening are most likely food grade and minimal. I have visited young living essential oils farm and distillery last summer. I find those being the only pure essential oils out there. The essential oil is the blood of the plant the life and hold frequency because they are living as we humans are and our chemical make up is similar. Which is why when using a pure therapy ethic grade oil can assist the body is healing itself as our bodies are designed to do. (Think if getting a cut and how the body self heals) our human bodies have frequency. When our frequency drops we at suseptible to a variety if ailments. When using essential oils it helps raise the bodies frequencies. There is actually a lot of scientific research done of essential oils on the body you can find them on pubmed.gov. The reason it’s not well known is they can’t put a patent on nature and for instance you cannot create a synthetic frankincense say for cancer treatment because there are over 800 compounds to frankincense alone. It’s impossible to parent. With no patent no synthetic therefore cannot make money off it. It is about money sadly. Many people in te medical profession do their job for the love of helping people and te right intentions. But these schools and texts re funded by big pharma and are taught to prescribe and medicate. That gives repeat customers and more mony. Don’t get me wrong. I’m very thankful for our doctors as my life was saved a few years ago from heart failure and serious life threatening ailments should not go ignored but totally writing natural health is wrong. I did my own study on myself when is was in heart failure. I had an echocardiogram done after three months diagnosis with little improvement. Starting that next day I started researching raw fruits and veggies etc to help heal my heart. I did it every day for 6 months straight natural whole foods vitamins minerals etc and I went back for a second echocardiogram my doctor sai I made a full recovery in fact my heart was normal and at no greater risk for heart disease than anybody else he told me Ionger needed to be on medications. I’m totally healed and I know it was by God alone and the help of using raw fruits and veggies in juicing which have living frequency in them because they are alive like essential oils. With that I completely agree in natural remedies to support our bodies (again if on life dependent meds never stop use without a doctors okay!) I suggest everyone do their own thorough unbiased research and see. Go to pubmed.gov and just see 🙂

          • I am glad your better and your doctor helped you but there are no studies in pub med that show any benefit beyond a theoretical extrapolation based on a in vitro study. Eating healthy is good for people who have a history of heart disease. Natural is a nonsense word, an arbitrary line that humans draw around a group of things that make them feel warm and fuzzy. There is nothing natural about farming in any way. Plant a garden let it grow don’t touch it in any way. You won’t get fruits and veggies. Let an organic garden that you have harvested sit for a year. Let that garden come back on it own the following spring you won’t get fruits and vegetables. Arsenic, uranium, botulin toxin ricin are all 100% all natural and organic. Yet they are deadly. I have no idea what the living frequency is but I do know that essential oils research on pub med are all the same nonsense-unreplicated, uncontrolled, or in vitro pilot study. The type of research every crank uses to sell their snake oil. What ever you do/did for a living, be it fry cook or nuclear scientist, just think about how little people understood your profession. Think of how wrong they were in how they thought the knew how to do your job. That is what you are asking lay persons to do when you want them to intemperate raw research data by reading abstracts. There is a reason why it takes years of graduate training and experience to interpret medical data. Snake oil salesmen bank on you being dazzled by the word natural and a lot of poor research to back up fantastical claims. I am glad your healed. That is your strength it has nothing to do with nature, frequency, or EO. Take pride in your recovery, and your lifestyle change. Own it, don’t surrender it to the magicians and the charlatans.
            Be well and dump the nonsense you don’t need it.

    • Lynette says:

      I absolutely know that oil pulling works from past experience. A few years ago I had no dental and no money and my back tooth felt like I had been hit in the jaw with a jackhammer. I tried everything to ease the pain. Nothing worked not even the so called pain killers. Then a friend gave me a bottle of sesame oil and told me to slosh it around through my teeth for 20 minutes every morning before breakfast. I did it and the pain was gone completely the next morning. I wanted to see if it was all in my head so I stopped the oil pulling for 3 days and the pain started coming back. Don’t know how or why it works…BUT IT DOES. God gives poor people ways to cope because he knows they have no money for conventional medicine.

      • Noah Dillon says:

        That kind of tooth pain happens to me when I don’t floss regularly. Maybe try flossing. The evidence for oil pulling shows that doing it for 20 minutes every day works, but it works less than just rinsing with mouthwash for 30 seconds. And mouthwash is WAAAAAAAY cheaper than sesame oil.

      • God told me to tell you stop using him as an excuse to neglect poor people. On the other hand I am 100 % certain mouthwash works. You see I had terrible tooth pain it was killing me and I couldn’t bite down. Two swirls of conventional mouthwash and I was back chewing on a steak in no time. I think that the artificial colors filled in my cavity since it has calcium in it and we all know calcium is in teeth. Or maybe???? what I am claiming here totally honestly was in fact a bad sinus headache giving me jaw pain and the mouthwash was completely unrelated. I guess we’ll never know who is right or wrong because I don’t need to know anything beyond personal experience like you. So I’ll give all my friends a bottle of mouthwash and you give all your friends sesame oil problem solved!

        • Mudguts says:

          Its nice how they sneak back and think no one will notice slipping in some woo.. The ancient aliens and conspiracies mob are like that as well.

          Look guys.. If you are into woo like oil puling.. get a cheaper more reliable oil. Save you a bit of money? Go to a dentist on a regular basis rather than waiting for a disastrous condition.

          Mind you if you want to be all natural like the guys in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s.. Get false teeth. You wont even have to oil pull then.

          • Cathy says:

            Quote: “The alcohol in mouthwash is thought to help cancer-causing substances such as nicotine permeate the mouth lining. It can also produce a substance called acetaldehyde, a carcinogen, which can accumulate when swished around the mouth. The study is published in the respected specialist journal Oral Oncology.”

            Keep on swishing!!

          • mudguts says:

            oh dear…

  2. Great article! You are addressing exactly what I’ve been explaining to my patients. (I am a dentist and have been in dentistry longer that this FASHION blogger has been alive). The studies that are mentioned are weak. Based on a sample of 20 (too small) teenage boys (not a randomized population). Most studies about coconut oil are being sponsored by the coconut oil industry. Amazing what people will blindly believe!

    • willos says:

      Ahh, Big Coconut at it again…

    • Mudguts says:

      There is certainly no reason for it having to be coconut oil.. But I have seen folk ritualise there woo to a comical extent. The reason why they think things work may just be in the ritual and participation .

      Have a homeopathic friendly acquantance that puts a drop on one side of the hand and licks across. I dont know if that makes it doubly or tenfold more effective.. when no effect is the expectation.. then multiplying it by a 100 is still no effect

    • peoplechange2 says:

      Oops, surprise surprise a dentist shows up.
      Dr i have exceeding $15000.00 of dental work in my mouth. It’s good for a few years but if you are a few y good dentist it’s well hidden and I have to keep coming back.
      In the end, I ended up with dentures because all the dentis, surgeons, etc screwed me over.
      On top of that the infection with higher and higher effects have now cause super vires, super batter so and all other bacteria to be antibiotic resistant.
      So some more research or to ask your Grandmother or Treat Grandmother if you can

  3. S. Buck says:

    I came to many of the same conclusions as you did just reading the article just using common sense. Of course your mouth will be healthier because you are rinsing it non-stop for 20 minutes to loosen stuff and then I bet you’re even brushing more thoroughly because you’re thinking about all the goo that was in there. I can even see how it helped headaches, stress and TMJ because you’re forcing yourself to sit quietly, focus on one thing and relax. You cannot tense your jaw and swish at the same time and even the small muscle movements of swishing and pulling will help relax those tense jaw muscles. It’s kind of like oil pulling meditation. Lessening your stress and anxiety also helps lesson all kinds of skin conditions – I get acne and eczema when my mind and body are overstressed, making myself relax for 20 mins a day would probably help that too!

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  5. Kat P. says:

    “My concern here is again people will replace this with traditional care.”

    I think Ayurvedic medicine is a bit more “traditional” than modern synthetic medicine. Have you read much about Ayurvedic healing? It doesn’t appear that you know much about natural healing at all.

    • Well, the only problem with that is there’s nothing “natural” about ayurveda. It’s based on the body’s balance between three elements: Vata, Pitta and Kapha. As these “elements” were based on the guesswork of ancient ignorance and do not actually exist in the natural world, it’s hard to call it a “natural” system.

      • yolanda says:

        You are soo off. Why do we continue to think people in ancient times were stupid? We have pyramids and sphinxes(wrong spelling) and we today have no idea how it was done. In egypt they used honey and some type of plant for birth control and people were living a lot longer than we are now! Sooo why were they soo stupid and the people of today soo smart? Ridiculous! Ancient ignorance…try ignorance today….we are soo dependent on these people who pretend to have best interest in mind then hit you in head with dentist bills. Smh….people are dumber today then they were before. We are only told we are smarter but that’s not the truth. We are too arrogant to see that tho

        • Eric Hall says:

          Pyramids – wet sand – http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2014/05/01/secret-building-pyramids-wet-sand/

          Let’s use all ancient wisdom – and not be on the internet. And let’s do blood letting. The argument from antiquity is total nonsense in the face of modern science.

          • Brad says:

            here once again Eric, your making a statement with no research nor experience of this, yes, blood letting. Do you have research to back up your opinion? No. Yet any time anyone comments of their opinion from their experience above and continued in this comment area, you disregard it. And then you later tell me i am bashing Western Science?

          • Mudguts says:

            Blood letting! You all know I love BS and am absolutely absorbed by it.

            Yep, you can just get on the old internet and find a good bloodletter to let out you wooble just like Jesus did. You’ll also find that wooble busting psychic dowser (or quack) is.. within walking distance of your home.

            Thank goodness the ones in Oz have to do a course that minimises injury.

            I am not sure Hahneman had it right about doing bugger all.. but wrt these clowns.. he probably was

            Yeah its painful that we still need pins, excoriating hammers, bruising, blades and cups..

            If they only wrote it up!

          • Eric Hall says:

            I looked at the first 3 links. Link 1 is not blood-letting, it is leech therapy. Those are two dramatically different things. It would be a little like saying mosquito bites are also equivalent to blood-letting.

            The next two links (the same study) are about making incisions in a sore, where blood comes out (10 cc) – this again is not blood letting.

          • Mudguts says:

            Jeez, thats a bit of a shoot and run post.. I’s say more than 80% of the EBM is fairly misinterpreted and passed on..

            You could say the same for furniture moving and water worrying.. and of course pure and applied assault and back stabbing..

            These are all crank mdical ideas based on astrology and religion. The practitioners publish like crazy but get nowhere.

            Why? Because there is only science and the rest is wishful thinking nonsense.

            Gargle away guys.. but dont waste perfectly good oil that could have been designed for more nobler uses in cooking or industry..

          • Brad says:

            Raktamokshana = bloodletting, yes, even with leeches it is bloodletting. Ayurveda style. Once again, maybe not the kind you know of, which is exactly my point in every one of my comments. If you don’t know about it properly, your opinion on it has no validity.

          • Eric Hall says:

            Well Brad, then as the expert. please enlighten us the mechanism by which all of this works.

          • Mudguts says:

            ayurveda.. still total rubbish

          • Brad says:

            So Eric, what your saying is that you do not know how blood letting is done from Ayurveda????? And from your article as well as all the comments your have answered you have shown that you do not comprehend what oil pulling is as per Ayurveda as well. Interesting. So you want me to ten try to explain to you… as I did with oil pulling how it works so that you can then what???? tell me how it doesn’t work? Really? Or Mudguts can jump in and say something of his normal level. Really? Why don’t you study it for yourself and then when you have questions about it you can ask and we can talk about it and how the mechanics work? Here would be a start….. http://www.ijam.co.in/index.php/ijam/article/view/263/182 then i would try to understand that there are things outside the paradigm of what you understand.

          • Eric Hall says:

            No, what you have shown is a classic example of the no true Scotsman fallacy. No matter how detailed I get in the matter, you claim I don’t understand it. There are only so many oils and so many motions one can make with one’s mouth. There is no combination of oil and swishing that will suddenly change the fact you are simply mechanically swishing oil in your mouth.

          • Brad says:

            Since we were talking about blood letting and the article/research i just linked is actually about blood letting, I really don’t get what your talking about oil pulling again for.
            Once more, maybe you will hear it this time…..
            I actually do not need to teach you or defend anything here. Since it is your article, it behooves you to actually do some study as to what it is you are writing about or know something about what you are talking about. Specially when it is from a different culture and a different paradigm. Yes, I would not waste my time trying to explain something to you that you do not understand nor do you want to. that would be quite a waste of my time.
            My point, again, is that you actually have no understanding of Ayurveda. Yet, you are stating things without that knowledge. If i was a airplane pilot, I would not be writing articles about chemistry now would i?
            Study it to learn it before bashing it with lack of comprehension. It looks really bad.
            And your comment of only so many oils and only so many movements of the mouth shows the lack of any comprehension.
            Hey, why don’t you swish with pomegranate juice and see what happens to you plaque? Seriously. It works for plaque. But you would need research wouldn’t you?

            Maybe a better article to actually do a study and write about than just write from utter ignorance. It creates a very small box you know?

          • Eric Hall says:

            So, what does this ancient wisdom tell us that isn’t oil and swishing?

          • Brad says:

            Eric, did you bother to read the long explanation that I wrote the first time I commented to this post back 2 months ago????? Guess not.

          • Eric Hall says:

            Nearly the entire comment you first made is all about, again, the no true Scotsman fallacy. This and that is not Ayurveda.

            Near the end of the comment, you also throw in the time of day matters in consuming herbs. Why? So turmeric knows how to tell time regardless of what might have gone on with my body preceding the consumption?

            Then, at the end, you play the “do your own research” card.

            So, you make the claim the “western” way is wrong. I have asked, more than once, what is different about the “ancient” way. You tell me to look it up. But why? If you are an expert on it, we should be able to learn something from you. I’m happy to write a new piece if I am wrong.

          • Brad says:

            Yes, the time…. several different times of taking an herb has a tremendous difference on how the herb will work. NOT IN YOUR PARADIGM!!!!! Get it?
            Nope, you don’t.

            Very simply put and should seriously obvious even to you, Time of day as well as the individuals time of taking the herb….. And just because you can’t obviously think that an herb taken 30 minutes before a meal verses a herb taken 30 minutes after a meal might have a different effect….. but why would I even bother to explain any of this to you? Why. Not my job. Not my job to try to defend anything nor teach you anything. Expert, yes. You, expert? Really? Pretty damn close minded. Thats not any sign of anything but insecurity.
            Yes, what you have written above in your article is not Kavala. It might be what people are calling oil pulling but it certainly is not Ayurveda.
            And cutting a vein and bleeding out is not blood letting in Ayurveda either. And yes, once again, you would not understand it with out studying it.
            And without studying it, you only have your own very limited lens to look at it……. which is why you don’t know the difference between what is being touted as Ayurvedic and what is real.
            And once again, if you don’t know? Why the hell are you writing anything at all about it?

          • Eric Hall says:

            If this is so important to you, and you know so much, why can’t you or why won’t you share your expertise? You keep saying I’m wrong. How? Why? I could go around telling everyone according to ancient texts the world is 6000 years old, that their methods are wrong, and my ancient text proves that. But until I provide some actual evidence, I simply look like a contrarian.

          • Brad says:

            Mudguts, just wondering…… How long have you studied astrology?

          • Mudguts says:

            since I was about ten.. I was given a telescope and found out all the Astrologers and religion folk were talking about the same thing.. Absolute rubbish!

            46 years later, I have the total tool kit for torturing twits who come to the door..

          • Brad says:

            So as I thought, you actually have not studied astrology? Yet you have an opinion about it?

          • Mudguts says:

            Nobody studies astrology anymore. Those who say they do are about as credible as naturopaths..

            My dog was a naturopath.

          • Brad says:

            Mudguts…. lots of opinions and nothing at all to base them on. Yes, there are plenty of people that are studying real astrology. Then there are people like you that have no knowledge that there is actually know that there is anything called real astrology because the West is filed with crappy education. What else can be expected. You guys are a riot you know?

          • Mudguts says:

            a) you have abused the word “opinion” so much that I am dead sure you have no idea what it means.

            b) I was under the impression you were talking about the idiotic use of prediction by astrology in the west and east (theys aint much different).

            c) if you were talking about the astrology of asia with respect to its religions about 3-5000 years back, you will see it corresponds to its failed cosmologies as well.

            d) Astrology is only as good a predictive nature as left and right, up down. north south east and west has to the observer. A very poor navigational tool.. except that was actually astronomy.

            So roll up your technicolour dream coat. Get on board and whine away.. This is skeptoid and the woo dies here…

          • Brad says:

            So final huh? Thanks Mudguts. Haven’t actually studied astrology, yet have tons of opinions about it. Yeah, about right. this blog is based on limited knowledge and subjective interpretation without any experience in the areas being written and commented about. Thanks guys.

          • Mudguts says:

            Opinion Brad? you havent indicated to us at any stage that you have the qualifications nor the skill sets to form an opinion..

            So, Instead of me trying to explain it to you, I’ll put it straight.

            If you suffer from a religion that draws its vitality in and out of you (I dont know American religions, but the asian ones like christianity, Judaism, Islam, Vedism, (Buddhism same thing just shifts the blame around a nicer way) then you are suffering a religious vitalism. Alternative practices depend on this for its marketing to folk who really have never thought of it.

            All these religions pretend to the zodiacal heirarchy (what we call a failed cosmology) and this zodiac or month/sector assignation has found to have failed miserably when we actually started looking at the sky.

            But, tell us why we shouldnt consider you Brad as some Hypochondriac? I am convinced of it and was after your very first post.

            You have all the vitalistic tendencies.. You would have to be something in the hypochondriac spectrum.

          • Brad says:

            Your hilarious. Now your a psychologist as well. Seriously, you guys are a riot.

          • Mudguts says:

            Yer just walking Brad… all that promise to find yer a hypochondriac on the run now..

            When you came in i wrote that this is religious crap that is embedded in the theosophists garhel of the mid to late 18th century.. You posted precisely that as it being some sort of point.. Thanx for that.

            I also said you’d post stupid trials.. viola.. stupid trials. Not even an explanation for you lack of analysis and skills on these trials.. just a list.. Predictably unimpressive.

            Now I have recursed on it all and said its astrological garbage.. youve sort of waddled down that way and admit its astrological gargle and think thats some sort of good thing.. Nope.. Its absolute rubbish..

            Now yer running?? Avoiding being dragged into the conversation at all??

            I bet you havent studied a damn thing.. Yer just like all the other stuffed shirt hypochondriacally aligned and have to quip rubbish..

            Well done.. But predicted..

          • Brad says:

            Hey, I was just pointing out the same as with Eric…. you have no comprehension and no education in astrology, yet you are talking about it like you know something about it and your OPINION being valid. It isn’t. Like all your saying. Thanks. Have a good life, k?

          • Mudguts says:

            Rubbish again.. you have enquired.. you just used a base state… the only thing people use astrology for is a respectable understanding of what people thought about their cosmos over the past 5 or more thousand years (and by way of their religion). The astrologies, cosmologies and religions have common roots.. these may be via migration or trade.

            None are valid as a real explanation or estimation of the universe as it is, nor even the solar system as it is.

            Basing an attempt at medicine with these failed.

            Thats been immediately stated and you have been forced off the ayurvedic crap.

            I am not sure I have even adressed Eric in much of this at all.

            But please go on.. keep covering.. maybe we’ll get to the mythical placebo excuse next…

            O have you run out of subject material???

          • Brad says:

            Mudguts, sorry i have not replied in a while to your highly educated replies.
            I am gladly back in India at the Ayurvedic hospital. Interesting thing, when I arrived on the first day, I went to the OPD. Sitting in the general med OPD a small child i recognized came in. She was brought in a year an a half back. At 1 yr and some months she had fallen from height and landed on her head causing severe internal bleeding in the left parietal and a sudden paralysis of her entire right arm. Parents had taken her through the ringer with Allopathic med. Nothing could be done with all the modern medicine and its advancements. So she underwent treatments with Ayurveda. After a year and a half of treatments, she now has much of her use of her right arm and can eat again, write, shake hands, wave and all sorts of normal things. This is not a rare case what so ever. Pretty normal to see all sorts of stuff like this going on all the time.

            As I said before, You are such an ignorant jerk. Not only do you misinform people because of your bullheaded ego and lack of education but with that ignorance you also stop people who could actually be getting cured from plenty of diseases. All because why????? Because your anger or whatever the hell your holding against anything that is outside of your understanding and belief system?????…… outside of what little minded you and your paradigm see. Think about it a minute. I see cases like this all the time. I live here, I know what is possible. You’ve read books that are made for the masses, never educated in what your talking about. WTF. Wake up please.

            You guys get more and more pathetic with every reply. Mudguts, i could reply to your ideas of astrology but they too really are not even worth it. You might sound intelligent to some one that knows nothing, and your opinion may then hold some value to them, which i guess is why you guys do what you do here. but to anyone that has any education in these things you guys bash, your complete idiots and arrogant fools.

          • Eric Hall says:

            Hmmmm – a year and a half – because no one has ever recovered from injury after an extended period of time? That’s your proof?

          • Brad says:

            Oh, and one other thing about that little girl………. the treatments that she has done is nothing more than using medicated oils and then induced sweating and also done by basti, which for lack of anything that comes close to correct understanding we translate to enema here in the states.

          • Mudguts says:

            Brad, yer getting boring

          • Brad says:

            For your perusal and definitely expecting that you will come up with some absurd response as to why it is invalid. Continue please. Continue to say that there is no science, that it is woo woo, that it is what ever you wanna call it. Continue to be Americans, why would you not???

          • Right absurd reasons like…
            she is selling a book no research.
            Why not do the research and prove her claims?
            Why would yet another questionable practice “ancient science”(in itself nonsense sense this is demonstrably from a pre-science era) taken from a time in human history when life expectancy was a fraction of today’s be superior?
            the author self admitted a group of anecdotes “stories” are the foundation of her practice- that include cleaning your ears…. Not that I disagree with the practice but sorry hard to point to ear wax as a determinant factor for life span or general health.

            Ya I would find it a hard stretch to call this science in any way shape or form.
            So yes as you predict…. show me junk science, fallacious premise, all packaged in a book for sale and I will show you crap. No matter how hard I try to placate your racist comment about me being an american I just can’t ignore the facts. Maybe next time we can agree.
            BTW I left your comment but our website is not a link page for woo so I removed it.

          • Brad says:

            Yes, last one.
            A book written written in western science as to the nuances of ayurvedic therapies.
            Last time i am even bothering. You guys are hilarious.

          • Mudguts says:

            Probably bunk as well.. You seem to have a hobby here..

          • Caty says:

            I’m not saying Dr’s aren’t good for things, but in reality (of life and dealing with friends and family) I see what goes on. All Dr’s do is push meds for a “quick fix”. And do you know how many people die yearly from those meds (taken as the Dr’s recommend)? Why dont you talk about THAT! Instead you dis OP.

            I have to laugh. On one hand you say it doesn’t work so what’s the harm -but then on the other hand you say it might work and DO harm! You’re funny!

            When I first started OP (with coconut oil) I lost weight like it was falling off. I was doing NOTHING else. And the funny thing is that I had been trying to lose weight (walking, watching what I was eating) and that had always worked in the past, but my metabolism must have slowed down as I got older and this time it wasn’t working, so I had given up.

            I started the OP for a healthy mouth (having problems) and I got an unexpected side effect. Hey, I’ll take it.

            And it didn’t hurt me at all! I’m still here! (no side effects of “death”, etc.)

        • suizou says:

          No kidding. Just step into a Walmart. As I always say, “follow the money”.

          • Right because taking an inexpensive easily available oil, proving that it works with research, and being able to patent it own it and sell it as a safe and effective drug is never profitable right? Just because something is sold as a food doesn’t mean that they can’t patent it own it and charge a boatload for it.

            Why do alternative health promoters always fall to the corporate malfeasance gambit. Wal-mart is rich and bad and therefore oil pulling works is nonsensical. Oil pulling doesn’t work except in petri-dishes or anecdotes, realistically if they did a properly structured double blind placebo studies it would fail as it has until now. Relying on bad preliminary research is the hallmark of useless treatment. Failing to look beyond suggestive, anecdotal or preliminary research is synonymous with a useless product. Real treatments clear those hurdles no problem and instead can fail in the more intensive study replication. It doesn’t require corporate malfeasance, corporate greed, or dark forces.

      • Rimjhim Sharma says:

        It is understandable that western medicine practitioners will dismiss the idea of Ayurveda. Ayurveda is not a traditional or tribal form of medicine.It is you westeners who have associated words like “healing”, “natural”, “detox” and generic words to it.
        You are pretty ignorant about ayurveda, and rightly so.. You cannot understand it sitting in your we westeners are always right balloon..
        For me using ayurvedic methods and yoga have cured PCOD, for which everyone around me took years and years of birth control pills and still ails women today.
        Ayurvedas, three doshas are not guesswork they are based on research of the self. These scientists or “Rishis” as we call them in India, studied the human body not just physically but in combination with the mind. Yoga is used in conjunction with ayurveda, with a deep knowledge of minerals, herbs and other medicinal plants…It’s not an isolated method.
        Bytheway, Ayurveda was called the science of eight components:
        1- Kāya-chikitsā (General Medicine)
        2 –Kaumāra-bhṛtya (Paediatrics)
        3 – Śhalya-chikitsā (Surgery)
        4- Śālākya-tantra (ophthalmology/ENT)
        5- Bhūta vidyā ((demonology / exorcism/psychiatry)
        6- Agada-tantra (toxicology)
        7 – Rasayana-tantra (elixirs)
        8- Vājīkaraṇa tantra ( Aphrodisiacs)
        The main medical practitioners of Ayurveda were Atraya, Agnivesa, Charaka and Shusruta.
        1)Charaka was a noted Ayurveda practitioner who wrote the famous treatise on medicine Charaka Samahita. He wrote extensively on digestion, metabolism and immune system. Charaka also wrote about genetics like the factors responsible for sex of a child. Charaka has theorized blindness from the birth is not due to any defect in the mother or the father, but owes its origin in the ovum and the sperm. The other notable fields Charaka Samahita deals with are physiology, etiology and embryology.

        2) Shushruta- Samhita is the oldest treatise dealing with the practical problems of surgery and obstetrics.It was written by Shushruta who studied human anatomy in great detail with the aid of a dead body.Surgery was termed as Sastrakarma and considered as one of the eight branches of Ayurveda. The first instances of surgery were recorded around 800 B.C.
        Shushruta- Samhita records the detail description of the steps to be taken during the performance of a surgical operation.
        There are eight main divisions in Shushruta- Samhita , namely Chedya ( Excision) lekhya (Scarification), Vedhya ( Puncturing) , Esya (Exploration), Ahrya ( Extraction), Vsraya ( Evacuation) and Sivya ( Suturing).

        3) Yoga, a system of exercise for physical and mental nourishment was part and parcel of the ancient system of medicine. Though it has been in existence for long time, it was around 200 BC, Patanjali in his treatise, Yogasutra collected all the fundamentals of yoga. Patanjali surmised that through the practice of yoga, the latent energy within the human body can be made live and released, that can have a salubrious effect on the body and the mind. He practiced and preached yogic practices that can control of several ailments and chronic disease.

        Also, pitta, vata kapha are not present individually and in isolation in one person but as a combination of these three. These are tendencies and defects, as much of the medicine system in India is aimed towards prevention and curing the root of the problem than just symptomatic cure..
        And if Indian medicine is such trash, please ask why do millions of people outside India wake up each day to do yoga. ?? Is it only a form of exercise and nothing more?? Kindly research a bit before writing, or being a doctor atleast go through the experiment and conduct it on yourself before commenting.

    • Eric Hall says:

      Kat – you are right. I will correct this sentence. Please see my edit above.

  6. Just look at the list of ingredients for a typical mouthwash and decide for yourself.
    coconut oil or a list of dangerous chemicals all linked to cancer and ill health.
    My concern here is again people will replace this with traditional care???
    I bloody hope they do because traditional care is based on a toxic brew of chemicals!

    • Eric Hall says:

      I always find this interesting – a toxic brew of chemicals – do you know coconut oil is also made from chemicals?

      I would be happy to evaluate your claims of cancer causing chemicals in mouthwash if you can provide scientific data to support such a claim.

    • yolanda says:

      Thank you!! “Traditional care” is based on profit. Smh….

    • matty s says:

      So true. The worst chemical in the whole mouth cleaning process is FLOURIDE..It is toxic, plain and simple. There is no place for it in toothpaste or our tap water. The harmful effects are proven and the helpful uses are suspect. Find me scientific evidence to the contrary. Actually, just look up what Flouride actually is, research how and why it is toxic, and then try to figure out WHY it is going in your mouth and body!?

      Before deciding anything else. Get rid of any and all flouride in your diet. Toothpaste, tap water, anti-cavity rinse. Then u can get the flouride already in your body out by taking an iodine supplement. Switching to a deodarant without aluminum or parabins wouldnt hurt either. YOU WILL notice an positive change in overall physical and especially mental health. THEN, you can oil pull till your face falls off!

      • Matty
        Sigh! I am always dismayed by the level of bad advice and fear-mongering around fluoride.
        1. Fluoride at proper levels is fine. Fluoride at proper levels prevents cavities. Everything has a toxic and safe dose. There is a safe dose of plutonium, and botulism toxin, and there is a deadly dose of water and oxygen. Blanket statements that anything is safe, or toxic, that avoids the dose discussion demonstrates a vast deficit in knowledge about human physiology. I am not blaming you it all sounds very scary. If anything avoids a dose discussion be very suspicious.
        2. Taking in iodine at elevated levels to “get rid of” fluoride, can give you hyperthyroidism. Resulting in dangerous hypertension and tachycardia. That is why you stay away from crank advice about fluoride, the “cures” are equally ill advised as the fear mongering.

        • Caty says:

          (Sigh!) You are so wrong (about fluoride). Do some research. The guy who started it all even admits it was a lie. Go trust big pharma to take care of you …

        • light says:

          Maybe you need to learn the difference between calcium fluoride and sodium fluoride.

          • mudguts says:

            now there’s a non sequitur!

            Isn’t that supposed to end with

            “Touche! I think…”

    • Rimjhim Sharma says:

      Please use sesame oil as has been advised in under the Ayurvedic method “Kavala” what is called Oil pulling in english. Overtime you will find, that the coconut oil will have some effects, as it is anabolic in nature. Also, please visit an ayurvedic doctor of repute and be advised as to the correct method of doing Kavala Gandusha. He will tell you the right oil for your depending on your body and imbalances, he will most likely also recommend a diet to support your practise.

  7. Mary Miller says:

    I am not convinced of EVERY amazing claim when it comes to this, but I do think that organic, non-GMO, cold pressed coconut oil would be much healthier for you than normal commercial mouthwashes/toothpaste. You cant just buy coconut oil from Walmart. Otherwise it will have added chemicals and will be more processed. Not all things marked “All Natural” actually are all natural. Most of the things that we are willing to put in our bodies that have been marked “safe” have a lot of chemicals that if looked at individually can be quite harmful to the body.

  8. yolanda says:

    You people are funny. Legitimate care? You mean western based medicine that doesn’t actully cure anything but makes sure youre well enough to work but not well enough to not have to go to hospital/dentist….this system is set up to keep people depending on these so called doctors/dentists. If you’ve never done oil pulling yourself then maybe you should try it before trying to poke holes in it. I’ve been oil pulling for a month and I’ve noticed great changes in my teeth and I’ve also noticed the detoxing effect. You lie when you say there’s no such thing as detox. Smh…I won’t go into how or why because anyone who wants to know can just think about it and figure it out. We don’t need experts to tell us everything. We have brains and minds for ourself and are capable of using our own mind. Debunking oil pulling? Really? You have nothing better to do then attempt to debunk something that is cheap and effective? You must be working for the pharmacheutical company or something. Your words are very misleading like when you said that “most” reporters had same outcome as you…most is not all which means some had an experience like the ones who have actually been doing oil pulling. You are disgraceful and neither this or the other article debunked anything. You just put a lot of nice words together to play on the brains of the easily impressionable and sheeple. Whatever. Anyone with common sense will disregard this blog and try it for themselves.

    • Eric Hall says:

      Maybe oil pulling is causing you to shake your head alot more…

      Again – let’s take the oil you spit out and bring it to a lab an test it. What are these toxins? How do you “feel” detoxing?

      Our brains are actually terrible at evaluating evidence because our brains evolved to survive in nature, not evaluate complex claims. We have research indicating how poor we are at many things our brain does, which is why we need science to overcome the limitations of our brain.

      • Day says:

        this article is completely biased. I am not impressed. don’t read this article, and snopes? seriously… quit nay saying on something you don’t understand or have not tried yourself.

        • Eric Hall says:

          Can you show me specifically where the bias is in the article? I looked through it again and I believe I provided logical, reasonable explanations for all of the points I was trying to make. Also, while I do occasionally cite snopes in other articles, can you show me here where I cited it? I missed it.

          • Justsayin says:

            I am not here to defend oil pulling only defend that accurate points are made for and against.

            You can’t tell that you are biased? Let me give it a shot and help you…

            “While Mike Rothschild already did a great job of debunking some of the miracle claims on a Skeptoid blog last year, and Orac poked fun at it as early as 2007, I wanted to point out a few of the details both from the comment section of Mike’s post, as well as the pseudoscience claims in the link I saw this week which are both misleading and possibly dangerous”

            These articles are just as biased as yours. They go in looking for the half assed reasons it won’t work. So you show yourself as biased by accepting these guys as legit in their conclusions… which are that it doesn’t work as well as as modern off the shelf stuff.

            “(most sites of course say unrefined and organic because we don’t want any “chemicals” in our chemicals). Swish the oil around for 20 minutes. Spit out all of the “toxins” (I guess coconut oil is toxic?). “

            You mock the fact that it is recommended to use oil that is as “clean” as possible… good advice for anything you put in your mouth… you hint at chemicals being in the oil but you don’t explain why. Is it in the refining? In the coconut itself? But you agree there IS chemicals in both. Making people think that that means the two are equal there fore it is ok to eat or drink both… or as dangerous to eat or drink both… chemicals in your chemicals? That really doesn’t even make any sense.
            But then you would agree that unrefined and organic would be a plausible thing to try to get, right? The more “clean” a product you use the safer it should work, right? And the more contaminations that are in it might be enough to the ouaitive effects,,, trying to take bad things out but just swapping them for other bad things.
            That is just the scientific method at work, right?

            NOPE! You mock and belittle it even though it might make the difference. Being a man of science you should know you want a clean beaker and uncontaminated solution, right? Sheesh! Ohhhh noooooo…. YOU’RE not biased at aaaaaallllllll.

            “There isn’t any scientific studies proving any of the claims, even the ones with plausibility. The only “studies” are the ones reviewing the Ayurveda literature or small studies from India done under that premise – and they are not very good quality. “

            No study must mean it doesn’t work… that’s not a biased way of approaching this subject.
            The Indian studies also use an oil that doesn’t have any antibiotic properties where as cocnut oil does. That skews the ultimate results.

            “Basically, this is a classic case of the argument from antiquity, where because someone did it in the past, it must be good. This is also how we know small rocks float.”

            You mean like how the ancients knew the world was round? Or leeches? or maggots? Or bezoar stones? Washing your hands? Or yoga? Or acupuncture? The last two were mocked heavily for a long time, but now insurance companies pay for yoga or acupuncture.

            People fought hard to not have to wash their hands. Washing your hands have no effect on anything, look… I can put my fingers in my mouth and nothing happens, so it’s the same putting it into a body in surgery. Right?

            All of these things were rediscovered from antiquity and were said to be the foolishness of stupid people… but now we know all these things are helpful in one way or another. Leeches have been shown to have medicinal effects, maggots eat dead skin, and even bezoar stones have been shown to neutralize arsenic.

            After it was discovered that fruit cured scurvy it still too the British fleet over a hundred years to allow their sailors to use fruit to help their scurvy. 100 years!!! And they KNEW it worked!

            Why don’t you tell the Muslims to stop using their chew sticks? At one time there was no studies that said it worked. But now there is.

            There are lots and lots of things that we do now tht were ridiculed and discarded. When Tesla was in school a brushless motor was considered to be impossible because of the rules against perpetual motion.

            So to lump ALL ancient ideas and methods into the “rocks float” category is totally biased against anything whether it works or not.


            “(toxins) What does this even mean? If your body truly contained toxic levels of anything, you should seek immediate medical help. Other than that, your body does a pretty good job of maintaining the proper levels of things.”

            Really? This is so absurd that there is no way you can say it without being biased.

            Toxins in the body and being TOXIC are different things. Yet you gladly interchange them, Very scientific of you. So by your rational low levels of radiation in the body would be ok. And after months or years that person gets sick, it can’t be because of the low levels of radiation being put into the body every day. Those are way too low to ever be toxic. Right?

            So people don’t have toxics building up in them? You can’t have something in you that is “toxic” to the body but eats away at you for years? That must NEVER happen.

            Unless it makes you sick right away then it can’t be toxic. Radiation kills immediately once it reaches the body.
            The body is anything but capable of maintaining anything properly. Especially in a world where we eat things that have no nutritional values to help keep the body strong.

            “If you have migraines, I again would see your doctor. Migraines could be a sign of another condition, and even if not can be serious. Just don’t rely on clean teeth to cure it.”

            Not so much you being biased but just to let you know that doctors suck. If you are relying on them to teach you anything you are sadly mistaken.

            I suffer from migraines most of my life. I ha insurance , was leaving my job and wanted to use it, before I didn’t have it anymore, so I went to have my migraines checked out. Had migraines for over 20 years. The doctor asked if work was stressful and prescribed Zoloft. The pharmacist was puzzled because Zoloft causes migraines. That’s it!!! WHAT the F!?!?!?!

            So doctors are not the end all of what is really going on. You are believing a bunch of people who have no problem cutting off the wrong leg. Even though it has been proven to prevent bad things from happening… Doctors in the 21st century are fighting to NOT do check lists. Writing out a simple check list and running through it before a surgery. Even checking off something so simple as :WASH HANDS” has proven to reduce infections. But it is not embraced but fought against by doctors.

            Lots of products doctors endorse turn out to be harmful and things they try to keep from people sometimes turn out to be the best thing ever… but it cuts into someone’s pocket book so it is ridiculed and mocked.

            Republicans attacked the Japanese hydrids when they first came out. You sound the same as they did when they said they got terrible gas milage and couldn’t climb up a hill and no one will ever buy them. Right?

            YOU are a teacher????? But you have no ability to understand context!
            “Manages any weird hormonal imbalances.
            If coconut oil contains any hormones, I wouldn’t recommend using it. Use of hormones without monitoring by a doctor can be very dangerous for your health.”

            Nothing ever says it ADDS hormones, or USES hormones. EVER! But that the effect of cleaning out your filtering system (saliva and lymph nodes and teeth and their roots) help your body regulate it’s hormones, possibly by just getting rid of the particles that infect your system.

            If you pour in an agent into your gas that removes the things that are clogging your gas filter then the motor will run better… it doesn’t really improve anything it just makes it run smoother and stops the sand from getting into the engine. If you remove the things that are causing you problems then when your body can operate correctly and your hormones would smooth out as well making it seem like it it is doing something TO the hormones, but it‘s not, it‘s just getting the junk out of the way so the body can function properly.

            Or is that too intricate for your scientific mind to comprehend?
            “My concern is not with the practice of oil pulling. It is with the claims that go with it. There is a possibility there is some direct harm (the pneumonia). It is also likely it is a waste of money as a simple salt water rinse along with the brushing and flossing would have the same effect.”

            Do you know that? Is there a study that has SHOWN you and proven to you that “pulling salt water” has the same effects as oil?

            That would definitely be a study needed. Do people using oil have any better effects that doing the same thing with water? Salt water? Other liquids? Toothpaste water? But you just assume that is would do the same thing. So once again you show yourself to be nothing but biased as you believe in studies that have never happened (salt water vs. oil) but refuse to believe anything else because there isn’t a study on it. That is the very epitome of BIASED!!!!!

            “It seems those within the fields of medicine and dentistry reached similar conclusions.”

            What!?!?!?!? The field of dentistry is not finding any evidence that something cheap and simple is better than all the expensive products out there that help them stay in business???? WWHAAATTAAATATATA?!?!?!?!!?!? I am shocked, SHOCKED!!!, that they didn’t find any benefits to something that is challenging their own rule. SHOCKED I tell you!

            The oil companies want you to know that oil spills are no big deal and there has never been a legitimate study to show otherwise.

            Doctors and tobacco companies used to say that cigarettes where good for you. Doctors said radiation is good for you. Cocaine, cannabis, morphine, all good for you. If you believe what the doctors USED to say.

            This article is ok for what it is, but you are biased and you never had any intention of deviating from the status quo. Are you skeptical or cock sure that you are completely right no matter what? Because that’s not skepticism it’s just cynical ego boosting.

            Anyway that’s what it looks like to me :)_

          • Eric Hall says:

            You use a very twisted form of logic to prove oil pulling works and to prove my bias. I won’t address every point but let me hit a couple.

            What is coconut oil made of? It is made of chemicals. Chemicals are basically various forms of baryonic matter. Water is a chemical. Fatty acids are chemicals. Coconut oil is comprised of several chemicals. Saying “use product x to avoid chemicals” is a scare tactic. I would at least accept the use of “less impurities” but not “chemical-free.”

            On toxins and hormone balancing – how? Show me what toxins and how. What specific toxins are being removed that the body can’t on its own? Show me a study that measures hormone levels in people before and after oil pulling.

            Thanks for the insults on my ability to use my brain and questioning my ability to teach. Please understand it only reduces the credibility of your comment.

          • Justsayin says:

            Yeah, sorry about the more personal insults but it factors into whther you are being biased and how you are being biased, I’m playing devil’s advocate and I did say at the beginning I am not being pro pulling oil. I am just a bit over zealous in my writing style.

            And it was about you and your view point being biased, not about the specifics being right or wrong.

            but you gotta admit it looks like you use the republican way of thinking. Only see what you want to. Such as over looking my specifically saying I am not trying to defend the claims it makes. I am just trying to point out that you are being biased in all your point of view about pulling oil. And you gotta admit that when you claim to use science as your base but like I said you assume things without any proof when it fits your view point, such as saying it’s no different than salt water, but then demanding absolute scientific proof.

            I mean You focus on the semantics of water as a “chemical” when you know what they mean. That is spiteful biased. but you don’t recognise it as being biased. Because you refuse to even consider that you might be wrong or might have to concede that you are argueing over somethng that is trite…because they are using a layman’s term for chemicals, and not the pure by the science book definition? Really? that’s gonna be your response to it? You can’t hold your science background as reason for you having more believability than others, and then focus on somethng so trivial as some kind of proof that they are wrong about everything. That’s not a sciency way of exploring somethng at all.

            And instead of debating the subjects and the actual points you simply dismiss everything I wrote because I hurt your feelings. Yes, insults are a good reason to dismiss the things you can’t admit being wrong to.

            And you are about you not being biased. I laid it out for you, took the time to point out the various things and you only respond by trying to discredit ME not my items.

            By the way, how can I show you the toxins in the after swish when there is no study like that? So you are just so willing to claim the facts when there are no facts on either side of that discussion. You can’t say there aren’t, or there isn’t anything in it that would show that it is good to get it out of the mouth, the mouth, by the ,where it is easiest to access the blood such as putting nitro under the tongue. So cleaning out those areas would be benificial, yes?

            It could just as easily be that keeping the “toxins” out is just as good as removing them. Maybe it doesn’t remove toxins, it just helos to keep new ones out. So your body CAN clean its self. How can the body do what it has to when there is a constant stream of junk going in keeping it from being able to clean itself out? You know as well as I do that there are sicknesses based on a toxic level of somethng being in the system enough to cause minor problems. Mercury is a good exsample. Not enough to kill you outright but the symtopms grow over time.

            But your premise of why you are skeptical is that the body naturally balances itself and cleans itself just fine. What’s that based on? where are your studies on that? and what about the people who don’t fit in your studies and it really does work on them? Does a drug not work because it only works on a few people?

            You claim the body to be a remarkable machine able to self clean and regulate… What about menopause? the body doesn’t seem to be able to balance itsself out then. How about platic poisoning? It isn’t able to regulate that, plastics can through the bodies hormones out of wack. Maybe it can IF you can stop the poisons from getting into you constantly in the first place.

            And the science you rely on to tell you how modern things work so much better than ancient stuff. that has been used for a long long time… that science that you belive in so much as recently had to come out and admit they ef’ed up by assuming rats are rats and that they believed that whatever worked for men would just as easily work for women. But now they found out men and women have different chemistry (duh) and that medicines today work better on men then women for that reason.

            So they were wrong as much as the “alternative medicine” people are .

            By the way, why are you skeptics never skeptical about the status quo side? They have just as many reasons to lie to you as the alternative side does. More in a lot of ways. Who does pulling oil benefit? The coconut people? Who is making money on this?

            You are no better or worse than the believers. You both use the same inadequate information but attack eachother for not having enough information. You are almost worse though, because you haven’t tried it, or talked to people who have (that you trust) and you only look at the surface of it and then dig yourself in without ever thinking about the other persons points. You only accept the the results from only one side of the argument, the side you believe in, in this case the billion dollar corporate side.
            Realistically You can’t be totally skeptical on it because you don’t know all the facts, reasons, theories etc etc etc, so how can you have a real opinion about it one way or the other? And yet instead of coming at it from, “maybe, but I doubt it because…” you are solid steel sure that it culdn’t work at all. “It doesn’t work because I don;t believe it and the rich science community has told me to believe it totally doesn’t work” right?

            You aren’t being skeptical at all, I’m afraid to say, you’re just a being a party of NO.

            And again, because you can’t read my postings well, I will reiterate, I am NOT being PRO or con Oil pulling, I have no idea how much of it works and what doesn’t. Or have any idea on the absolutes of it.

            My point was that you are indeed actually coming at this thing from a biased point of view. Which you claimed you are not. You are just looking for reasons to prove it wrong and not even trying to figure out the other side at all. Maybe the relaxation of 20 minutes swishng somethng in your mouth is enough to help get rid of your hangover, and that is what is being taken for a cure. Maybe. But would that kind of logic matter to you?

            You probably believe a person can’t blow their own sails, right? A common belief by people and science, they say it isn’t possible, right? Everyone who is logical and not biased knows that a person cannot put a fan on their boat and turn it on and blow their own sails until they move. Right?

            And yet the Mythbusters proved it IS possible. They showed that the skeptics like yourself didn’t take in all the different inputs and outputs in a real world situation. You would only focus on “for every action there is an equal and opposite action cancelling it all out” and you would argue that pointuntil you were disgusted that anyone would ever think differently and you would see your side as all perfectly logical… and you would be wrong.

            Your skeptical way of looking at things closes your mind off to what is actually happening, the extra air being pulled into it and the reaction of the wind pushing off of the sail. Lots more to it that you would have ever thought of. You would have argued it is impossible until your fingers are sore from typing. You would never even consider any other answer… and you would have been wrong wrong wrong.

            So sorry if it seems I am attacking you, by the whole point is to show you that you are being totally biased in your skeptical view and that means being a little personal. I mean come on, you’re a teacher, of science, you should know better. It’s disappointing ot me. You dismiss everything that hasn’t been checked off by the man.

            So I apologise for coming on so strong and insulting you. I really am looking for a good discussion on this matter. I guess it isn’t going to be here though. It’s like trying to discuss the wright brothers flight and the only thing coming from your side is “it’s wood, so it’s impossible for it to work ” wow. compelling.

            I do appreciate the quick response though. Although you beat me, I was going to put down an apology for my style beng a bit rough, I figured i wouldn’t get a response at all, but you beat me to it and made me look like jerk. haha.

            Anyway, no hard feelings. take care. I’m here if you got anything more than just semantics, needing studies that don’t exist, and just assuming that your guess is somehow much more solid than anyone elses thoughts simply because you can’t wrap your head around anything that might have a different approach, especially if’n they don’t agree with you and your way of adding it all up.

            Later, hater and thanks again

          • Dirck says:

            your man of science?. A man of science accepts criticism and analyzes it,. your trying to defend yourself like a child being scolded by his mother.

          • Eric Hall says:

            I did analyze it. Can you point out where my questions or responses were in error or seemed childish? While I do occasionally get a little snarky when dealing with some comments that are silly, I try to acknowledge them in a reasonable manner. Which statements specifically are bothersome?

          • Brad says:

            Eric, you know when it is more than just a couple people saying the same thing about you, maybe you should actually look at it. Funny thing about this is even after Justsayin is finished with what i would call a very accurate perspective of yourself, you still point fingers.

      • JP says:

        Hey why don’t you just do the oil pull and take it to the lab yourself and get it tested. Then u can see for yourself and post your results. But if your wrong don’t hide you gotta admit it.

        • Eric Hall says:

          If you are willing to sponsor it – I will find a lab and the cost and I will get it tested. Let’s see. Also, we need to decide ahead of time what is “toxic” and what level would be considered dangerous.

    • Day says:

      High five!

    • Karin` LILLE` Jensen says:

      Go,Yolanda……!…well said..Enjoyed the oil-pulling for 2 weeks now and its wonderful along with other practices that works for me…very interesting dialog and language around this…Debunking oil-pulling is a strange “animal”….:)

    • Lynn Brothers says:

      since you oil pull, I read you should only use organic sesame oil or sunflower, not coconut. I would think it would do the mouth and jaws good, but I thought it was to take the toxins out of the blood ? Do you only use it for a gum and teeth detox? Seems you would not do to often in a row, I also heard it makes you sick if swallow. I was thinking of trying to see if would help a tooth with root pain, and do not want a root canal. Any ideas? How do ya get lipid pneumonia from oil pulling? I get a blog from Kelly the Kitchen Kop and she oil pulls and also had an article on repairing cavities naturally and have read about that several times. But dentist do not get to study homeopathic cures because does not make all involved $$$$. It is a slow process, but we are getting more and more people involved in their health naturally with Clean Foods. Thanks, L

      • Lipid pneumonia occurs when a small amount of oil is accidentally aspirated into the lungs. Water is much less of a problem for your lungs to eliminate or absorb. The nature of oil provides an environment that results in an idea situation for pneumonia from bacteria that hitched a ride from your mouth to your lungs.

        Always be suspicious about people who point at greedy others and say that is why my products works it is cheap and they wont use it. That is the oldest trick that people use who can’t prove what they say. It is a distraction…. look over here pay no attention to my total lack of evidence. And four out of five dentists recommend trident RIGHT. Both statements oil pulling and trident gum have the same level of evidence. I take the gum thanks.

    • Caty says:

      Very good. But he just replies by being snarky and demeaning.

      Yes … HE knows best!! (we are just dumb, uninformed peons)

  9. hippocrates said “let food (not drugs) be your medicine”. Modern doctors know nothing about natural healing properties of plants, etc they’re simply not trained. Anyway as for oil pulling i had a major miracle. I don’t see any attachment icon so i guess i’ll just paste my “miracle letter” here. i apologize for the length. As to scientific proof. I agree there needs to be some double blind studies. As for me like the blind man that was healed said to the skeptics “once i was blind now i can see”. However, i agree that i need to follow up with my dentist but it’s still a miracle. Thanks
    rudy ferrara


    “Hi Pat

    I was researching the internet about dental infections as i have a (molar) tooth in my upper left jaw that is infected and playing hell with my body to the extent that my lower back and neck were in terrific pain for months. My entire body was suffering. My neck muscles were so tight that it even affected my voice. Couldn’t sleep, was constantly irritable, etc And it started recently getting worse. My entire jaw was now in pain. i started experienceing dissiness and near fainting spells while practising golf. Scared the H out of me.

    I brought this on myself as usual lol. A filling fell out over a year ago and i didn’t have dental insurance so i kept putting it off. Has to be one of the stupidist things i’ve ever done. Then last week the tooth cracked and part of it fell out. I was scheduled for a tooth extraction and was googling alernative treatments/remedies to see if there was still a chance i could save the tooth and not have another empty space. I already have three empty spaces from extractions.

    While researching under alternative dental treatments and cures i stumbled onto something called cavitations which i never heard of before. I then found this article in google under dental cavitations entitled

    “Dental cavitations and cavitation infections (ischemic osteonecrosis”

    It’s the sixth article from the top and when you click on it it takes you to a page titled “Healing teeth naturally”. After reading the article i discovered something called “oil pulling” which i’ve also never heard of before. Seems it’s a miracle tooth pain and infection CURE. I was skeptical but after being on it three days my tooth pain is GONE including lower back, neck,, my whole body relaxed and is on the mend. OMG.!!! It’s a miracle.

    I suggest you read this article pat. There is something about oil pulling and fibromyalgia I thought might be of interest. I’ve included a couple excerpts below


    ps If you should decide to try oil pulling using olive oil rather than the standard sesame seed oil therapy you should get REAL organic olive oil as there are so many knock offs out there. Real olive oil when taken orally will give a slight burning sensation in the back of your throat. I use COLAVITA but am switching to

    california olive ranch which is much better

    “Oil pulling has afforded help with pain from temporo-mandibular joint (jaw joint) disease and fibromyalgia: “I did not think I would be able to do this for 15 minutes due to jaw pain but after 2 1/2 minutes my jaw pain left. The stiffness, pain and soreness in my body was gone before the 15 minutes was up. I have been suffering from fibromyalgia since 1991 and this is the only thing I have tried that gave me immediately relief.”

    On using olive oil for oil pulling

    The late erudite father Thomas Häberle, an eminent but little known Swiss naturopath, used olive oil massages to great effect in a number of illnesses. He stressed that he reaped great successes using olive oil for diseases of the bones and head, writing that olive oil is able to penetrate even the hardest bones and bring healing where it is needed. For this reason it seems ideal to use for oil pulling.

    Father Thomas Häberle has left us three small but information-packed books on natural healing two of which have been translated into English, Helping & Healing and Counselling & Curing. [sales pitch removed here]

    (Note: one person actually reported that swishing with olive oil straightened his teeth!)”UNQUOTE

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    • Eric Hall says:

      Testimonials and anecdotes can be the first step in the scientific process by giving us a direction to form a hypothesis. However, the human brain is very fallible and subject to all sorts of bias.

      I won’t address every story, but the first where the broken tooth caused pain. Yes, if the tooth broke and exposed a nerve, it would cause pain. Any regular mechanical action would aid in the pulling in of the pulp material. It is the same idea as what happens when a tooth is filled – it hurts at first, but the pulp material begins to pull away from the tooth, thus there is no nerve left to cause pain. The dangerous part of the story is if there is an infection and it goes untreated it could be bad! Again – oil pulling is likely keeping the broken tooth clean – so sure it is fine for that. But it is no magic cure – it is simply a way of scrubbing the area – same as what you could do with water, mouthwash, toothpaste, or any other mechanical action.

      • rudy ferrara says:

        You didn’t hear what i was saying. my whole body was affected to the point i was having dizzy spells, excrutiating lower back pain tight muscles, spasms to the point i had to crawl over to a table to lift myself, my throat was a twisted knot and my voice diminished. All disappeared almost immediately. I was irritable because of all this couldn’t sleep couldn’t do anything well as i wasn’t myself. It is truly a miracle that no mouthwash could have done. And i continue to improve.

        Even my TMJ which is related to the mouth has disappated and is on the mend for the first time in years with no artificial mouthpiece. I rub the deep penetraiting REAL olive oil on the TMJ area as well as inside the ear for tinnitus. You are skeptical i can understand that you just haven’t been in my shoes or others who’ve had worse ailments

        rudy ferrara

        • Eric Hall says:

          If you were in this much pain with this little energy, how were you able to do proper oil pulling techniques? Because if you were able to do a swishing motion for 20 minutes, and rinse your mouth after – all without choking on the oil, something tells me there were other factors you are not revealing or not considering.

          • rudy ferrara says:

            ok you’re a skeptic ok that’s why this is skeptoid

            All i can reiterrate is i was in terrible shape many months from neglect of my infected tooth. Very stupid i know i put money over my health. However, i attributed the symptoms lower back pain, spasms, tmj etc to other causes like poor diet. I tried antibiotics, pain killers vitamins eating a healthy diet NOTHING WORKED. I stumbled onto oil pulling because i didn’t want a fourth tooth extracted. I was just about ready to have it extracted because my symptons got worse started getting dizzy on the golf course, had another excruciating muscle spasm where i told you what happened.

            I tried olive oil becauws that’s what the particular article i read said might have even more benefit than the other oils. Read the article please. That was june 10 within just a couple days symptoms decreased 50%. The ONLY sympton that didn’t go away immediately was the tmj. It improved but still was affecting my lower jaw. So i started massaging the olive oil externally as swooshing evidently helped the tmj indirectly (I won’t go into that now) so i attacked the problem directly. And yes iis almost down to zero. Had i massaged it at the beginning i would have been fully recovered within a week

            Yes i was able to swoosh even in my condition.So for something to disappear that quickly without any other drug or therapy is my miracle. You can try to explain it away. I’m sure skeptics try to explain how the gershon therapy cured cancer within a couple months (see food matters). You’ll see it right before your very eyes. Yet they use alternative not mainstream drug therapy. My brother has lung cancer and refuses to even try alternatives. Now he’s going thru hell with radiation and chemo therapy which will only further compromise his immune system which is at the heart of the problem. He seems to be starting to consider what i’ve been suggesting to him about alternatives. I hope so as cancer has a 2% complete recovery rate with a five year “survival” rate then you die. Check the stats.

            We are not used to the word CURE in this country. Other countries including germany, europe asia have practised oil pulling for decades with great results. Only in america where stockholders reign supreme doctors, our food and drug industry, politicaians are controlled by a minority of mega billion dollar ponzi scheme corporations. Funny thing we lead the world militarily and we also lead the world in degenerative diseases. Greed rules and will continue to rule until the people wake up. I’m not holding my breath.

            You may think i’m against the medical establishment. You’re wrong i had a hernia operation and the team of doctors and assistants were BRILLIANT. You can’t use an alternative for that. You CAN use an alternative with diet, food, and other proven remedies not recognized by the mainstream establishment for the reasons i mentioned for treating many ailments. You can continue being a skeptic. Actually it’l healthy in a way so long as you are open to alternatives. I on the other hand am a BELIEVER in alternative medicine which should be practised alongside standard medicine but med schools are funded by the same political economic system that’s fighing tooth and nail to abolish alternative medicine. Vis-a-vis the state of vermont is being sued by monsanto and the gmo industry. So you think they want to lose even one battle in labeling gmos at the state level. Even one loss would compromise their billion dollar empire which they will fight to the death to defend. GREED RULES

            I hope my brother tries alternative treatment. It won’t hurt him and may save his life because alternative medicine CURES people i can testify to that and so can countless others who didn’t have the luxury to wait for some double blind studies that will forever get bogged down in beaurewucratic red tape. There’s no time like the present. I’m 71 and hope to be 80 some day. 90???

            rudy ferrara

          • Eric Hall says:

            So how do you quantify your 50% improvement? Do you have a standard scale by which to measure it?

            Again, I am not doubting your story, just the explanation of a “miracle cure.’ A neglected broken tooth that becomes infected and/or lodged with food becomes a fantastic pathway for the infection to spread to the blood. Look at how much oral wounds tend to bleed – there is alot of blood in that area! So if you start actually taking care of the wound/infection – of course you will feel better. It isn’t because of oil, or even the type of oil. It is because you treated the wound by keeping it clean. You (nor I) have no idea if your symptoms were related or not. But based on your story, you had poor oral hygiene or some condition that gave you poor oral health. Once you started paying attention to it, you got better. It is not unreasonable to assume once you took care of your oral health you felt better, both because of the connection of oral health to other health issues (as science as shown) and because you are suddenly taking care of your health.

            Believers in “miracles” often try to cite cancer statistics and use cancer as a buzzword in comments here. Cancer is not one disease, but a set of over 200 diseases. You can’t treat all cancer with the same treatment. Even if Gerson therapy worked, it wouldn’t work for them all, nonetheless for all the other claimed diseases it cures. But the truth is it doesn’t – http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-not-so-beautiful-untruth-about-the-gerson-therapy-and-cancer-quackery/

            Cancer survival is much higher than 2% over 5 years. Maybe for your brother’s particular case that is the odds, but not for the diseases in general lumped under cancer. I’m sorry he is going through those tough treatments. But it is the best evidenced way for him to survive. Why you only trust doctors when you want to trust them is a bit disheartening.

          • rudy ferrara says:

            the gerson therapy has over a 50% CURE rate for lymphoma and other cancers. That is phoenomenal. With billions poured into cancer research since nixon cancer deaths have doubled way orver 200,00 a year. Again, we are the leader militarily but pathetic when it comes to degenerative diseases a lot of which is food related. Our food supply or should i say assembly line food system is the major culprit. Having a hernia is one thing doctors can fix and i trust them. I do not trust them when it comes to disease.They aren’t trained for prevention and cure as hippocrates stated let food be your medicine not drugs. Japan is way ahead of us even china or india. even mexico grows their food on organically rich soils. Good soil good food. Monocultured, toxic, nurtrient deficient soils you might as well put a gun to your head. If cancer were the cause of the disease then cutting it out should cure it, but it doesn’t. It just comes back again and again and until we realize it’s nutritionallly related it will never be cured. Our bodies have/are being compromised in this toxic laden world we live in. Our immune systems can just take so much and when you add the aging process a sure fire combination for disaster. But if you give the body what it needs it is a remarkable machine that will take care of itself for a long long time.

            I never ever heard of juvenile diabetes growing up in the 50’s. Way too much refined sugar and starches in our diets which BTW feeds cancer. The signs are all around us. We need to get our heads out of our a— and wake up. We are consumers dependent on a modern assembly line mass production food delivery system. That’s fine with cars (or maybe not with built in obsolesence) but with food it just doesn’t work. Nature always produced healthy food when we gave our soils, plants livestock TLC

            Yes as i mentioned i was going to have the infected tooth pulled as it was playing havoc with my body and i just didn’t realize a tooth could do that. Very stupid i agree. The filling had dropped out long ago. Then last month it cracked and another part fell out before i had done the oil pulling. The pain was excruciating as i said, affecting my entire body. The tooth or what’s left of it is intact. But i did keep my mourh clean. Before oil pulling i did everything for an infection, brushed, flossed, gargled with listerine which should have taken care of it.Gargled with salt, etc after each meal, etc but it continued to get worse despite my efforts to keep it clean. In one week my mouth had recovered after years of infection. And you say that’s not a miracle.Not only my mouth responded but my entire body.

            Just a month earlier in may i had a severe spasm attack to the extent i had to crawl over to a table to pull myself up. I was in excruciating pain. I hadn’t had one these to this extent for many years. I had been taking magnesium and it helped but didn’t prevent anything as far as my overall health. At first i oil pulled three or four times a day now once or twice. And you say that olive oil i mean real olive oil not watered down stuff isn’t powerful. How do you account for the fact that myTMJ disappeared just a couple days after i started massaging that area from the outside. The oil pulling was helping the TMJ internallly by addressing toxic issues and over time it probably would have healed it.

            I have no statistics or blind studies or scientific data to PROVE my healing but i am healed 100%. And yes i will go to my dentist and have the tooth extracted if it can’t be saved but i just about can guarnatee the dentist that diagnosed me with xrays would be shocked to even think i could recoup from such a situation let alone not need to have the tooth pulled immediately as he said. And at the time i agreed and scheduled an appointment. I don’t need a scale to measure my improvement. No lower back pain. Gone. No muscle spasms. Gone. no constant tooth and jaw pain.Gone.And sleeping better for a change. Not irritable.My energy is coming back, even my libido. TMJ nearly cured. Without drugs, without having the tooth pulled, just olive oil and oil pulling did the job. Believe it or not. I am now a believer. There IS a place for alternative medicine.

            rudy ferrara.

          • Eric Hall says:

            The Gerson “therapy” does not work. There is no evidence for it working.

            You cannot give cancer statistics without context. If cancer deaths are up, why is that? Is it that deaths by other reasons have gone down?

          • rudy ferrara says:

            your a skeptic (agnostic) and i’m an eternal optimist. Glass half full. And never the twain shall meet. I’ve said all i can and am still at square one. Time to move on time is too short and valuable

            r ferrara

          • Caty says:

            Wow. Good reply. (not) … snarky, snarky, snarky …

            And demeaning, to boot.

            Why do you feel it is necessary to disrespect and put down someone who had a different viewpoint than yours?

            That YOU are right and THEY are wrong and are lying or misrepresenting themselves.

            Do you even realize how closed minded you are?

            Oh, wait, I bet you are a liberal. (enough said)

        • Kirsten says:

          Your argument blows Eric Hall’s biases out of the water! You can’t argue with results or someone’s perception of their own pain or state of wellbeing. If you say 50% diminished, that is only for you to determine based on your experience prior to treatment. There is no scale to use other than your own perception.

          I love how you broke down his entire article piece by piece! I haven’t used it enough to report results nor am I experiencing the dental issues you are but I have not doubt that it works and will try it based on the testimonies I’ve read.

          • Eric Hall says:

            Actually, there are ways to measure pain based on things other than one’s own perception. In fact, doctors use this as one way to determine someone’s real pain level in deciding to give out pain medications or not. So, to claim pain can only be measured by one’s own perception is false.

  10. asdwriting says:

    I find it amusing you’d rely on dentists to tell you whether or not something could be used in place of their routine care. What would you expect them to say “Yeah, do this and see me less often, threatening my income greatly”

    If you want to disprove something, do the science, Except it won’t be done because it can only have negative impact on those with agendas.

    • TB says:

      As long as people don’t floss and don’t get proper levels of fluoride in childhood there will always be work for dentists. Even if OP works there will be as many people not using OP as there will be not flossing now! And still work for dentists. Thus no decrease in income for dentists!

  11. Oil pulling cured my gingivitis. Not the brushing I was always doing, not the flossing that was already part of my routine… Oil pulling. Your argument that cleaning your mouth by swishing fluids works anyway does not debunk anything. It’s a dumb argument. Yes that is why it works, that is what it claims. And thank goodness that works. Coconut oil is amazing for hair and skin, so it’s very small wonder it’s so refreshing for the gum. That it is good for your skin is also no revelation as people have been using it for their skin for ages, so there’s another debunking to your “debunking.” Oral health is a precursor to over all health so anything you do to protect your oral health helps over all health. After curing my gingivitis oil pulling amazing helped to clear up my chronic repiratory issues. Your article is not very good.

  12. Dee Peterson says:

    Oil pulling makes my teeth super white and they feel clean all day long. Of course it is not a replacement to oral hygiene in the form of brushing and flossing but it certainly has not done any harm and I have been doing it for years. Naysayers of anything outside of western medicine always amaze me. Why would I run to the doctor for every little thing? More than not, that doctor is guessing at a diagnosis and just wants to medicate. NO THANKS.

  13. katrina says:

    honestly this is so weird why would you put so much effort into putting down something that literally can not be bad for you at least in comparison to normal fluoride… never heard of coconut oil being banded from several countries, where as fluoride that is put in our water as well tooth past for our “oral hygiene” is banded in all of Europe…

    I dont know if just me but I’d be more incline to rise concern for a chemical thats been banned not a oil that clam to detox!

    • Eric Hall says:

      Just because something isn’t banned doesn’t mean it isn’t dangerous either.

      Fluoride was banned in court in a couple of European countries (not all of Europe) because of court cases. An Italian court also found scientists guilty of manslaughter for not predicting an earthquake. Courts are far from scientific – just ask the 5% or so of death row inmates who are innocent.

      Fluoride occurs naturally in many water supplies. This is how the idea of fluoridation came about – those with naturally occurring fluoride in the water had, as a community, better oral health than places without it. Some communities have so much that some is removed before being sent into the system.

    • TB says:

      Europeans have THE BEST oral health!

  14. Eric, your responses are weak and show a serious lack in an area you pose to have expertise in.

    Fluorosilicic acid, or hydrofluorosilicate, Sodium fluorosilicate, and Sodium fluoride are synthetic MAN MADE toxic byproducts from ALUMINUM PRODUCTION.

    This IS NOT the same as CALCIUM FLUORIDE.

    Hmm…corporations working together with the “medical” industry for profit? Say it isn’t so!!

    Fluoride was banned in most of the EU because it calcifies the pineal gland, and since fluoride attaches itself to heavy metals like lead and beryllium, fluoride accommodates these chemicals crossing the brain barrier.

    Furthermore, calcification of the pineal gland is what causes Dementia, Parkinson’s, and Alzheimer’s. Autopsy reports will show you that people that died because of these diseases had HIGH AMOUNT OF ALUMINUM IN THEIR PINEAL GLAND.

    So to simplify this for you, it goes like this:

    “Hey, I make aluminum, and I have all this toxic waste, I mean, imagine if you could add it to your water or something and tell people it will prevent cavities and keep their teeth strong?”

    The ADA: “Ok, we’ll go along with it, we’re like the APA, no one will challenge us. We won’t tell people what type of fluoride, we’ll say its the natural kind, not the rat poison toxic do NOT INGEST or do NOT have skin contact with kind.”

    All companies that use aluminum: “Sweet. Capitalism is awesome.”

    The FDA: a drug is anything that claims to PREVENT, cure, diagnose, treat…ADA says Fluoride PREVENTS cavities, gingivitis…oh right so the FDA is DRUGGING the American population!

    “Mandrake….you ever see a commie drink tap water?”

    • Fluoride was banned in the Eu because it calcifies the pineal gland. 100% medically inaccurate. That is not the cause for dementia or Parkinson’s or Alzheimer’s disease. I do not know where you are getting your information from but here is one sampling of how you are wrong.
      Alzheimers occurs due to amyloid plaquing not pineal calcification what ever that means.
      other dementias
      Vascular dementia is caused by either ischemic or hemorrhagic strokes. The most common form is due to small vessel cerebrovascular disease. Diagnosis is most specific if there is a stroke-like course of illness, neurologic signs of stroke on examination, and imaging evidence of stroke. However, the course of illness may appear smoothly progressive, and there may be no elementary neurologic signs.
      ●Dementia with Lewy bodies is the second most common type of degenerative dementia after AD. Clinical features that help distinguish this from AD include prominent early appearance of visual hallucinations, along with parkinsonism, cognitive fluctuations, dysautonomia, sleep disorders, and neuroleptic sensitivity. (See “Clinical features and diagnosis of dementia with Lewy bodies”.)
      ●Frontotemporal dementia (FTD) is a neuropathologically and clinically heterogeneous disorder characterized by focal degeneration of the frontal and/or temporal lobes. Early alteration of personality, behavior, and executive functioning distinguish behavioral variant FTD from AD, however, it can be difficult to distinguish FTD from AD as a cause of primary progressive nonfluent aphasia, especially early in the course.

      Parkinson Disease- has nothing to do with calcification. Depigmentation, neuronal loss, and gliosis, particularly in the substantia nigra pars compacta and in the pontine locus ceruleus, are typical abnormalities found in the brains of patients with PD. Neuronal degeneration is also present in the dorsal nucleus of the vagus in the medulla and other brainstem nuclei.

      Using a quantitative method, one study of seven patients with PD and seven controls found that the number of pigmented neurons in the substantia nigra, normally 550,000, was reduced by 66 percent in those with PD [16]. In addition, the number of nonpigmented neurons, normally 260,000, was reduced by 24 percent. By the time the first symptoms of PD emerge, about 60 percent of the neurons in the substantia nigra pars compact have been lost [3].

      The ventrolateral portion of the substantia nigra that projects to the dorsal putamen is preferentially affected early in the course of PD, resulting in the gradual loss of dopaminergic neurons in the substantia nigra pars compacta and a nearly complete depletion of dopamine, particularly in the putamen [17]. This contrasts with normal aging, which is usually associated with neuronal loss in the dorsal tier of the substantia nigra pars compacta, and depletion of dopamine, predominantly in the caudate nucleus [18].

      Because of the apparent discrepancy between loss of striatal dopamine (>80 percent) and the degree of loss of neurons in the substantia nigra (50 to 60 percent), some have suggested that the initial site of pathology is in the striatum and that retrograde degeneration may be responsible for the neuronal loss in the substantia nigra [3]. An alternative explanation is that each dopaminergic neuron has multiple projections that terminate in the striatum, so that death of the cell body has a multiplying effect on loss of terminals.

      In addition to the degeneration of the substantia nigra pars compacta, other nuclei are affected by the pathology of PD, including the internal segment of the globus pallidus, the center median-parafascicular complex, the pedunculopontine tegmental nucleus, and the glutamatergic caudal intralaminar thalamic nuclei [19]. Moreover, volumetric MRI studies have found significant hippocampal atrophy in patients with PD, with or without cognitive impairment [20].

      Your getting bad information from people who guess or are ideologically motivated to find problems with fluoride. They don’t understand the diseases that they are talking about. There is no way that they can understand if fluoride has any risk they are guessing and making up scary sounding non diseases that vastly/wrongly oversimplifies what happens to people with many different types of dementia.

  15. Sam frime says:

    My experience with oil pulling has positive. I started using it after I got an infection due to a cavity in my wisdom tooth. My dentist prescribed me a course of antibiotics amoxillin. The infection still remained after I had completed the course. I had 3 more courses of antibiotics after that cefalexin and metronidazole but the infection still remained had gotten worse. This all happened over the course of about 6 weeks, I was at my wits end. At this point the dentist succumbed and said the tooth would need to be extracted. However I Woolf have to wait a few weeks for an appointment and that I could have more antibiotics! This was when I discovered oil pulling. I had been on ibuprofen and paracetamol and codeine for weeks taking the maximum dosage daily. As soon as I started pulling I noticed the difference straight away. The infection cleared up and I only needed 1 or 2 doses of paracetamol a day after a week I didn’t need any. I still went ahead and had the tooth extracted but I wish I didn’t ad all the pain returned and the infection and I was afraid to use the oil while I had the open would in my mouth, I was put on amoxillin again which did nothing again! After a week I went back to pulling and needless to say it has done wonders. The other benefits for me have been whiter teeth, also I had a growth on my face for over a year just at the top of my nose bridge no matter what I tried it would not go. It literally fell off after I started oil pulling not only that but my facial complexion became clearer as I had flaky dry patches. I say try it don’t listen to those who haven’t.

    • TB says:

      Wisdom teeth are hard to clean, swishing can dislodge food particles, and perhaps your skin improved after finishing the medications that can cause skin irritation.

  16. jennacide says:

    I’ve tried it and it doesn’t work for anything other then a natural mouth wash .
    Everything is more or less the same my teeth aren’t any whiter skin is the same.
    In fact I got a headache soon after using it another lady on a blog had the same issue.
    But if you want to try it go ahead like I said works OK as a mouth wash noting more.
    Might try what’s left of it for cooking that might work better.

  17. Scott says:

    Small rocks do float… Water tension can hold up many things I’m sure this property was extraordinary in antiquity…

  18. Marianne says:

    I know this may be considered as more “anecdotal evidence” but since I started oil pulling three or four times a week; varying the oil between raw organic coconut oil and unrefined organic sesame oil; my hygienist has commented each time that I have no plaque and as we know, plaque is a cause of cavities.

    Now the hygienist only has to carry out a very minor polish to remove red wine and coffee stains. This is a fact. In order to either prove or disprove this information may I humbly suggest that people experiment for themselves and practice oil pulling for three or four weeks prior to their next hygiene appointment.

    As a side note, I initially tried oil pulling for gingivitis and carried it out three times a day and within four days the bleeding and foul taste in my mouth was gone. So, another anecdote to add to the list is that oil pulling also cures this unpleasant condition, avoiding the need for antibiotics, deep scaling or even gum surgery.

    • Dr. Mary E Berk says:

      Debunking Oil-pulling….again.

      The internet (social media, in particular) has become a breeding ground for misinformation. Anybody can put almost anything out there without consequence of being held accountable if that information actually harms someone else. It is definitely a “buyer beware” world.

      I am a dentist. I am a doctor, specializing in the mouth. I took the Hippocratic Oath, which in essence states “to do no harm”. I am a firm believer in Evidence-Based Dentistry, dentistry that has scientific proof through legitimate clinical studies.

      Most of the coconut oil claims on the internet are coming from the same sources. In regards to these particular sources, this is what I have learned through the years of reading articles. If the names Huggins, Weston Price, Mercola, Fife, and even Dr. Oz appear as the expert in any articles related to Dentistry, please hit delete. These sources are well known to exploit and sensationalize false dental information with no proper studies whatsoever! The best studies published are those conducted as an independent, randomized, double-blind, peer-reviewed article and appear in well respected and proven journals. Like the bogus “chocolate milk for athletes” study was actually funded and promoted by the chocolate milk industry, most articles about oil-pulling have been sponsored and promoted by the coconut oil industry.

      Don’t get me wrong, I love coconut oil for cooking and even as a skin moisturizer, but oil-pulling as a cure-all for your health (specifically oral health)? Let’s look closer:

      THE BODY: “it pulls toxins out of your body through your mouth” …. The mucous membranes of the mouth can absorb certain substances, but to be able to extract toxins out of your entire body by reversing that natural action? Here’s a flat out “NO”. You cannot pull toxins out through your mouth. It is the function of your lymph nodes to filter bodily fluids and the kidneys and liver are to filter your blood. If those fail, surgeries, transplants, or dialysis are needed. Big red flag when someone states that anything “detoxifies the bod.” Another ridiculous claim: “The oil you spit out is cloudy because of the toxins”. Um, put oil into a running blender with a little water, it will come out cloudy. Did it pull the toxins out of your blender blades and walls? No, it’s emulsified. Air and water has been incorporated into it. (In the mouth, it’s saliva, food debris, and air).
      There are also claims that oil-pulling “relieves headaches & hangovers (!!!)” , “clears sinuses”, and “helps you sleep better”. In what way does swishing any substance in your mouth fix anything past that immediate area? The body simply does not function that way. Every one of these claims should be addressed with “How?”. “Manages weird hormonal imbalances”? The FDA would have a field day with that one. Which hormones? Thyroid, pituitary, endocrine? How, how, how? “Helps get rid of acne/ eczema/ psoriasis & other skin issues”? This one has already been blasted by dermatologists. Lots of claims, no scientific proof.

      THE MOUTH: Now to address the claims in my area if expertise, that oil pulling “Whitens teeth”, “strengthens teeth, gums, & jaws”, “prevents cavities & gingivitis. Some people even reported it HEALED their cavities.”, and “banishes bad breath”.
      Enamel is the hardest substance in the body. It does not contain living cells. It cannot heal, regrow, or regenerate itself. It is a matrix of organic and inorganic substances. When weakened with physical (wear, injury) or chemical (acidic foods/ drinks, bacterial by-products) trauma, enamel can be remineralized or repaired with very specific substances. There is absolutely nothing in coconut (or sesame) oil that can possibly restructure, heal or strengthen enamel. Again, no scientific proof.
      In fact, coconut and sesame oil are slightly acidic. About a pH of 5. Refresher: 7 is neutral, 0 is acidic (battery acid), 14 is basic/ alkaline (lye). The mouth is sensitive to pH changes and relies on saliva to neutralize the pH. When the saliva is overwhelmed (think chronic soda acid-washing) or shut off (side effect of many meds), enamel is inevitably damaged. With a pH range of 2-4, soda acids destroys enamel. Over-the-counter mouthwashes have pHs of 4-5.5. These are also destructive levels for tooth damage. (Smart Mouth and Closys II are the only pH neutral mouthwashes that I know of, so far.) Will swishing coconut or sesame oil with a pH of 5 over 20 minutes every day harm teeth? If the person has an alkaline-heavy diet (vegetables, nuts, herbs), maybe not. If the person has an acid-heavy diet (fruits, sodas, sugar, processed foods), most likely.
      And, as far as curing periodontal disease? Oil is an anaerobic environment. The most aggressive bacteria that cause periodontal disease thrive in anaerobic (and acidic) environments.

      “Whitens teeth”? Hmmmm, not really sure how that would work. Does it make the enamel slick to repel surface stains? Could be. Does it penetrate the enamel to oxidize internal stains? Most likely not. Does it dehydrate the teeth, which make teeth appear whiter for a short time? Possibly. I would love to see an actual study of how, and if, it whitens teeth.

      “Strengthens…..jaws”: what part? The entire jaw bone? The joint? How would it actually get to bone level when there are layers of tissue between the oral cavity and the bone itself? And by what mechanism does oil-pulling actually strengthen it? It just doesn’t make sense.

      I can see where the swishing action could be meditative and somewhat therapeutic as far as working/ stretching some of the muscles that support the TM joint in a healthy joint. However, this is a parafunctional activity that could be damaging to an internally deranged joint, or someone properly diagnosed with true TMD. This is a matter of proper diagnosis before recommending to just anyone.

      Vitamins and minerals? As far as the theory about getting nutrients sublingually from the 1 teaspoon recommended for oil-pulling coconut and sesame oil:

      Coconut oil has zero amounts of iron, vitamins or any minerals. Even at 1 tablespoon, the amounts of iron, vitamin E and vitamin K are negligible. My jar of organic coconut oil even states on the label ” Not a significant source of fiber, sugars, vitamin A, vitamin C, calcium, or iron.”

      Sesame oil has just slightly more vitamin E and vitamin K than coconut oil. There is no iron, zinc or any of the B vitamins present in sesame oil.

      You will, however, get far more vitamins and minerals in ONE LEAF of spinach.

      The idea of comparing sublingual absorption of oil to pills is also faulty. The most powerful medications given sublingually, like nitroglycerine, are water-soluble to be able to enter your blood stream quickly. “Just like some pills are meant to be dissolved under the tongue.” Oil cannot be dissolved. Oils, if absorbed at all sublingually, would be too minuscule to be of any therapeutic value. And, as I’ve already shown, there are NO therapeutic vitamins and minerals in oil for the body to absorb.

      There has been a recent study done analyzing the antibacterial and antifungal claims of coconut oil. This study was done in Ireland last year (it has not been published, they have only announced press releases) comparing natural-state coconut oil vs enzyme-modified coconut oil. Their own creation of enzyme-modified coconut (and other) oil(s) decreased the number of Strep mutans, the bacteria most associated with tooth decay. The natural coconut oil had NO significant effect on the bacteria. And the big question: What other strains of bacteria are effected? There are well over 500 types of bacteria in the mouth and it a delicate balance of anaerobic vs aerobic, gram positive vs gram negative. When some of the healthy bacteria are killed off, the aggressive bacteria take over, which is exactly what happens to cause bad breath, decay, periodontal disease, and some oral cancers. Again, more research is required.

      To summarize, there are NO legitimate studies that prove any of these claims of oil-pulling improve your health. As far as your dental health, swishing any kind of (pH neutral) liquid will pull debris away from your teeth and help with oral hygiene, but mechanical contact of toothbrushing for 3 minutes is far more effective than swishing anything for 20 minutes.

      If you believe that oil-pulling really works for you, just be aware that it is not everything it is claimed to be, and may not be as safe as you think it is. There is now a report of recurrent lipoid pneumonia associated with oil-pulling in the February 2014 issue of International Union against Tuberculosis and Lung Disease medical journal. (An infection as a result of inhaling fatty substances into your lungs). It’s your time, your money, your health and your choice. I’m just asking you to make choices based on FACTS before you follow them and paste them all over the internet

      Thanks and good dental health to you all!!!

      Dr. Mary Berk-Mooney
      Troy Dental Care- Troy, MO.

      • wanda says:

        You work really hard for Dentistry. I’m surprised you didn’t use the word “quackery, ” because I learned years ago about people like you who work hard to protect “the dollar.” I bet you are one of those that claim that mercury fillings are not dangerous – right? And I bet you support “The National Cancer Society” as well…and you think natural cures don’t exist – right? The truth is …if there is no one willing to pump money into research – it doesn’t get done. But that doesn’t mean that something doesn’t work. I am an avid researcher and I know the truths! Knowledge is power!

    • TB says:

      If you have no plaque, how is it you have stain? Plaque and calculus is what absorbs stain.

  19. SBS says:

    “Most of the coconut oil claims on the internet are coming from the same sources. In regards to these particular sources, this is what I have learned through the years of reading articles. If the names Huggins, Weston Price, Mercola, Fife, and even Dr. Oz appear as the expert in any articles related to Dentistry, please hit delete.”

    It’s not that I trust everyone of those people you mentioned in that quote but I’ll tell you my genuine story and experience with dentists.
    I had great problems with my teeth since I was a teenager until my 30s. Or so the dentists kept telling me. I went to dentists twice a year, each time work had to be done which involved fillings for newly formed cavities, and pulling old fillings and redoing them because the filling had either cracked or the tooth was still decaying in many more different places.
    By the time I reached 28, my two front teeth were dead. One was root canaled when I was still a teenager, the other developed an abscess and I was told by the dentist it actually died itself somehow and she was surprised it never hurt me because the abscess was painless, just annoying.
    While trying to fix it, she accidentally broke the abscessed tooth, 1/6th of it in the corner chipped off.. She closed it quickly and put some sort of a filling that filled the broken corner so I didn’t look ridiculous. Little did I know then that this was totally unacceptable. This was my front tooth so it wasn’t going to hold.
    Regardless I knew nothing then and was happy enough something was done. A year from that visit(I left the country) the tooth and the filling on it broke, with even bigger piece missing.
    I had enough. I started researching for a proper dentist that actually cares. I got recommended a dentist and people were raving about his work. So I went. On first examination which included x-rays, he was appalled. He did not believe me I’ve been going to dentists twice a year all my life and he said my mouth looks like I haven’t seen one in 20 years. He said all my teeth with fillings on had decaying teeth underneath, that they look they were either never cleaned properly or were not done in many years, and I needed to redo the root canals of my dead teeth, including redoing the my front two teeth, one of them done only a year ago but apparently very incompetently done.
    When he was re-doing one of them, he said the previous dentist had drilled very very deep, he said he’s never seen such a thing, no wonder it hurt like hell at that time.
    To cut the long story short, they took out all my mercury fillings, cleaned my teeth, redid them all with white fillings, some molars needed crowns, my two front teeth were reconstructed too.
    It took a month for that and I spent every single day in there. I had to travel so I didn’t have a spare time.
    10 years after that the only problem I’ve had is breaking a wisdom tooth which I just got extracted. Despite all the incompetent work I had done in my mouth from previous incompetent dentists, this was just the 2nd tooth extraction I experienced, the previous being another wisdom tooth taken out in my teens. So maybe that’s a plus.

    Since the work done in the last dentist, I have not needed any new fillings in 10 years. I’ve had no more new cavities and my old work held all this time. I still have 30 teeth in my mouth, despite some with crowns but the work is of such quality, including my front two teeth that people get surprised when I tell them.

    So to summarize the long post, visiting a very capable dentist has changed my life. I went from fillings and drillings several times a year for 15years to none in the last 10. Do I hate dentists, yes I hate all those that experienced with my teeth in the first 15 years I’ve been going to them. And I’ll never ever trust any dentist or any medical practitioner just because they went to school. Not everything suits every mind and not everyone is good at it just because they read a few more books.

    And recently, because I moved to another country, I had to visit a new dentist. He x-rayed my teeth, looked at all the major work done and he actually couldn’t stop complementing the work of my previous dentist without me asking. He told me my teeth were in great shape for my age. Surprise 🙂

    Additionally to that, because I see you, as a dentist, discard Weston Price as well. I want to share another story, not about teeth but about general health. From what I’ve read W.Price was discussing the positive effects of raw milk, butter, fish, grass fed animals, cod liver oil, etc.. on teeth.
    Both my grandmothers and my parents are from very small isolated villages, one of them lived 500km to the nearest populated area. They were very poor and always self sustained themselves which meant they grew everything they put in their mouth themselves besides bread which was home made only for special occasions because in their own words “it takes too long time”.
    In case of one of my grandmothers, her daily diet consisted of daily consummation of raw milk, home made butter, home made feta cheese, home made yoghurt, organically grown animals, lots of pigs, chickens, ducks, sheep and goats. People there eat the entire lot, heads, brains, tongues, livers, hearts, kidneys, you name it. She lived in a place where lots of fruit and obviously organically grown veg could be grown as well and it was part of her diet too. And she made her own wine from grapes 🙂

    My other grandmother lived in a totally different part of the world, thousands of kilometres away but the same story repeats with her. Everything she ate was home made, raw milk, home made butter were a daily must. She had pigs and cows, no birds but she lived near a huger river and they ate lots of fish weekly, prepared in many nice or disgusting ways like fermented fish, dry super salted fish, or her favourite was fish cooked in some sort of a mixture of eggs and milk. She couldn’t grow much vegetables or many fruit over there but the forests nearby provide abundance of wild berries like wild strawberries, raspberries, black current, etc…and lots and many different types of mushrooms.

    My mother grew up there and she’s a milk, fish and butter addict too. She was diagnosed with a genetic heart condition when she was 60, imagine, no one found out earlier, and the doctors said she’s a medical miracle because no-one lives to that age without having had an operation done. She’s now in her 70s and refused an operation because in her mind if God has made her last that long without modern medicine then why do it. We, the kids, were against, so don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe in miracles but so far I don’t doubt a good diet too.

    Both of my grandmothers are now diseased. However they were both almost 95 when they died. One of my grandmother’s sisters that lived in the same village died when she was over 100.
    You may ask what happened to the grandfathers. One died in the war(and the other from TB when he was only 27leaving her with 3 children. Both my grandmothers were both very slim despite what one may call a fat diet due to abundance of raw milk, butter, meat, etc..,
    One of my grandmothers was famous amongst her peers for her beautiful hair even at very old age. My other grandmother had extremely nice skin, nicer than in some young women, without the blemishes and wrinkles that accompany old age, except on her neck of course which got kind of loose by the time she hit 90+. But despite that she always looked 20 years her senior. .

    I can’t remember the health of their teeth because it never crossed my mind to check or ask them about it at the time but as far as I can remember they had teeth they were chewing with 🙂 right before they died. There was and still isn’t dentists in these villages.

    Did I follow the same diet, no. I am lactose intolerant I can’t drink milk the least and raw milk is prohibited here. I despise butter personally. I like cheese and eggs a lot and cheese doesn’t give me the effects of lactose in milk. Organic products are insanely expensive here too so that’s out of my diet as well. Other than that, I try to vary my diet to include everything, veg, fruit, all types of meat, etc..

    So back to oil pulling, I’ve been doing it with coconut oil. I have basic chemistry knowledge, not much but enough to make me think over different things. My limited research shows coconut oil is the least acidic oil, some brand jars having a ph of 7-7.8. So I am not sure where you got your info from about it having a ph of 5. Regardless, I feel my mouth very clean, including my teeth and very fresh. I’ll let you know how it goes in another 10 years. You don’t need to be oil pulling to destroy the health of your teeth. And going to the dentist, for the majority of my life hasn’t fixed them either. I am a clean person and have never neglected my teeth one way or another but they used to be just failing on me 10 years ago for the reasons I explained in the first part of my post – inexperienced and incapable dentists.

    You may not be one of them and I am not attacking you personally but I’ll never find out how capable you are and how creditable your opinion is. We will live to see.

  20. A Silver says:

    Your comments are less then responsible and do nothing to clear up the array of misinformation and ridiculous claims. if you want to put credible material simply go to the NIH website (National Institute of Health), our pre-minent .gov organization and search their website for oil pulling. There is indeed a study on the subject. Oiling pulling is not touted as a cure-all but it is highly effective for mitigating bacteria and supporting gum health. The study does not use coconut oil.

    • Eric Hall says:

      I did mention the studies on oil pulling. All from India, all from the same doctor, all small trials. If a study has come out since the publication of this blog, please feel free to post the link and I am happy to look at it and write an updated blog if necessary.

  21. SBS says:

    @Eric Hall.
    If you want your hard evidence, do OP yourself for a few weeks.
    In about 2.5 weeks since I started(3 times a day morning, afternoon, evening sessions) I no longer have a bad morning breath or bleeding gums while brushing. As stupid as I may be, that tells me that OP definitely decreases the amount of bacteria in one’s mount. If you disagree, then explain why I am having those positive effects? Do you think I’ve forgotten the colour of blood? Or I am here lying to the world for the sake of it?

    That’s additional to the visible whitening effect to my teeth which my before and after pictures, my mirror and my relatives have confirmed.

    Right now, after experiencing for myself what OP does, I think those that are in denial and in search of scientific evidence have an interest for OP to be proven ineffective or less effective than marketed bottled chemicals, because to me it seems that simple oil is better than half the dental products on the market, and significantly cheaper.

    That’s my little trial so far.

    • Eric Hall says:

      As I explained in the blog above – any increase in attention and mechanical action in the mouth will make it cleaner and improve your oral hygiene. It doesn’t require oil pulling. And it certainly doesn’t magically cure all diseases.

      Why don’t YOU try something. Give up oil pulling for a few months. Then, try rinsing with a saline solution in the same way you are doing your oil pulling. I have a hunch you’d see the same results.

      • Justin T Jackson says:

        Wait, oil has 3 letters. A triangle has three sides… The illuminati IS triangle. Illumtinati confirmed.

        Queue X files music.

  22. wanda says:

    Are you serious? The reason they tell you to spit out the oil because it’s toxic is not because of the oil itself but because of the toxins that are pulled out of your body from the oil swishing. You guys need to try a little harder – not all of us are stupid!

    • Wanda What “toxins” are removed? I am curious to ask what you think is being removed and how.

    • Justin T Jackson says:

      If we had un healthy levels of “toxins” in our body we would die. Iur body regulates chemical levels so no need to drink some left over fried chicken grease. As of yet there is no study that says oil has special “toxin” removing attributes.
      I do believe it is useful in dislodging food particles from your mouth though. Instead of criticizing a guy who’s JOB is to be sceptical, come up with studies from multiple sources that suport your belief. And no personal account is not included. I read this article for a look on what other non-scientists believe on the subject for an extra credit assignment i wanted to send to my tenth grade science teacher. But instead i get cries of witchcraft and wizardry and a pissing contest between adults. I’m disgusted. P.s. my brother wrote the previous comment.

  23. SBS says:

    “Why don’t YOU try something. Give up oil pulling for a few months. Then, try rinsing with a saline solution in the same way you are doing your oil pulling.”

    I actually have a pretty good grasp on what salt can do because I keep fish tanks and salt is a “natural remedy” for particular fish diseases. It is actually antiparasitic to a very limited extent for very particular parasites but it does little for bacterial diseases or load of bacteria. But it does play a role in osmosis, so I presume it also makes our mouths alkaline, depending on the salt used, which in itself can have a positive effect to counteract acidity. However, to answer your question, I have used salt water rinses in my life quite often, sometimes daily and it has never done anything I can actually feel or see but it did kill an absess in a wisdom tooth which I promptly pulled out as soon as I got to the dentist.

    You are a nayer because you definitely haven’t tried OP yourself, not for long enough or often enough, or you have interest to say “no” to it, or you just can’t admit you are wrong.
    As I said, after I saw what it does for my mouth in 3 weeks, I won’t ever stop as long as I care about my mouth. I have not stopped brushing twice a day and flossing and have not improved my oral hygiene in anyway rather than OP so I am certain it’s the OP that has done that.
    By the way, it totally cleared my sinuses and I didn’t even know I had a problem 🙂

  24. SBS says:

    “I do believe it is useful in dislodging food particles from your mouth though.”

    A response to your above comment. I actually urge you to put your words where your mouth is.
    Try swishing water for two weeks in your mount. Note the effect. Then try 2 weeks doing it with oil in the same manner and the same amount of time for each session. Note the effect. Then we talk.

    ” Instead of criticizing a guy who’s JOB is to be sceptical, come up with studies from multiple sources that suport your belief.”

    What do you want studies for? To prove to yourself something doesn’t work that in practice actually does or the other way round? You mustn’t have read any studies because you’ll be surprised at how different conclusions each studies on the same subject maybe. I’ve read a lot, not about humans but about fish, and they are so contradicting, it’s annoying.

    On a side note about fluoride and your toothpaste.

    I do use fluoride toothpaste so don’t get me wrong for what I am going to say but after reading about it a lot I cringe each time I wash my teeth. There are very controversial studies about it taking the complete opposite sides. If you’ve read about the Manhattan Project and fluoride results you’ll be disgusted. The people working with fluoride were toothless and had their nails disintegrating. This was later covered up and people were told the workers were in “perfect health”.
    In other studies, it’s proven that fluoride does strengthen tooth enamel by interfering with its structure and I wonder, isn’t there something better out there to do that instead of chemicals that are highly toxic in excess levels, especially a potent one like fluoride that can eat through concrete.

    Fluoride is not natural to teeth structure at all. But I guess it works to harden them. However, it can harden them to an extent that they start breaking up if you get too much of it, or just “eat” into them.
    So be careful with it too unless you don’t want perfectly healthy looking teeth to start falling apart in your mouth. And be careful which “scientific” studies you read and believe too. For a start, since there aren’t many studies you appreciate on OP, then start reading studies about fluoride to teach yourself something at least.


  25. SBS says:

    @ Eric

    And by the way, because you may reject my knowledge on salt and it’s effects in humands, since I compare it to the effects on fish, it’s worth noting that every antibiotic against bacterial infections has the same affect on fish, just in different doses. And the same problem about resistance occurs too, over use of antibiotics on fish have resulted in severe resistance and mutant bacteria and other pathogens.

  26. leslie says:

    I recently tried oil pulling for the first time. After the first week, my teeth were sparkling white and I felt better than I had in years. During the second week, I developed angular cheilitis, had disrupted digestion and my teeth –previously healthy and already very white — turned grey and translucent….I stopped the pulling and the grey has developed to a dull yellow. I don’t know what to do. My health feels terrible — nothing is digesting properly, I have “white tongue”, I’m not sleeping…..everything was fine before OP, I just wanted to be a little healthier. I see it as a big mistake 🙁

  27. Art Nokcor says:

    The above could be called “butt pulling.” The art of pulling statements out of your buttocks. ‘Spit out all of the “toxins” (I guess coconut oil is toxic?).’

  28. Dennis C says:

    I love the comments from the Dentists and “practicing” Physicians. After years of teeth cleaning by hygienists…….different ones………..I was tired of them scrapping away the enamel and causing cavities when I arrived for a check up without any. I love the Dentist specialist that quotes the government FDA and USDA a a source we should all trust. I love the argument… “have you spat your oil into a petri dish and had it tested for toxins”. Really? You people are grabbing at straws to support your de-bunking,…. instead follow me I took a hypocritical oath…..use prescription drugs and radical dental treatments instead and see your “practicing” physician for more guidance to the prescription drug industry……….after all they have boats and vacations to pay for.

  29. Sandy says:

    Does oil pulling give you a sore throat. ?? Anyone know

  30. Yajeeca says:

    “There isn’t any scientific studies proving any of the claims, even the ones with plausibility. The only “studies” are the ones reviewing the Ayurveda literature or small studies from India done under that premise – and they are not very good quality.”
    Youre argument is weak-tell us why you think these studies are not very good…if you’re claiming they’re not good you have to say why? Otherwise you just sound like prejudist eastern medicine hater.

    here are three Studies…not all from India btw…
    Asokan S, Rathan J, Muthu M S, Rathna Prabhu V, Emmadi P, Raghuraman, Chamundeswari. Effect of oil pulling on Streptococcus mutans count in plaque and saliva using Dentocult SM Strip mutans test: A randomized, controlled, triple-blind study. Journal of Indian Society of Pedodontics and Preventive Dentistry. 2008. vol 26 issue 1, [[/12-17.
    HV Amith, Anil V Ankola, L Nagesh. Effect of oil pulling on plaque and gingivitis (PDF). J. Oral Health Comm Dent. 2007. 1(1):12-18.
    T. Durai Anand, C. Pothiraj, R. M. Gopinath, B. Kayalvizhi. Effect of oil-pulling on dental caries causing bacteria (PDF). African Journal of Microbiology Research. 2008 March. vol.(2) pp.063-066,

    • Eric Hall says:

      Read my sentence again – the problem with the studies is they have a very small simple size (this shouldn’t be hard to do with more people). Another problem is they are being done with a high degree of bias/argument from antiquity.

      Look at the abstract from #2 for example – the first sentence – “Oil pulling is an age-old process mentioned in Charaka Samhita and Sushratha’s Arthashastra.” This screams bias –

      And I just checked again – ALL 3 you cited are done in India, starting with the premise this works, and on small samples.

      Number 3 – they looked at bacteria colonies before and after oil pulling for 40 days. They saw a reduction – but the reduction is so small it could be considered insignificant (there was still alot of bacteria). They also didn’t compare to a control (why not try something cheaper like salt water).

      I pretty clearly laid out (as did the previous post linked to in the article) on why these studies are bad. So did doctors and dentists as linked to above. I am pretty sure I am on solid ground in rejecting these small studies as proof.

  31. yo yo jo jo says:

    I’m a vegetarian and I have been diagnosed by a dentist here in UKthat I need 2 root canal treatments ; one on back broken tooth and another on front tooth … I believe in holistic therapies and good organic food so I have started to oil pull with organic coconut oil .I’m on my second day so will report my findings in about 2-4 weeks.I’m oil pulling once a day.
    I have recurrent slight tooth ache so let’s see what happens ..
    my dentist wants to charge me 250 pounds for root canal on my back broken tooth …

    • Noah Dillon says:

      Good luck. Please do go to the doctor if you experience significant pain. An abscess in your jaw could mean major surgery and loss of a lot of bone and muscle. It will also cost far more than £250.

  32. Anonymous says:

    I really dont care about your insults of oil pulling am still gonna do it . It has alot of benefits for mouth including reminiralize them its 100 times better and natural then going to dentist and having your every teeth being scrapped drilled filled or replaced.

    • Eric Hall says:

      You cared enough about my “insults” that you felt you needed to respond to it. So your first premise is false. Secondly, how is oil pulling natural? Are you saying I can grab a coconut out of the nearest tree and get the oil right out of it? Or does it require processing to make the oil?

  33. Anonymous says:

    The same Rothschild that’s killing humans through zillion dollar pharmaceutical companies?

    • Anonymous says:

      This is the worst article I’ve ever read. Simply a narrow minded sceptic.

      • Noah Dillon says:

        Can you offer anything in rebuttal? Any evidence of efficacy? Anything? I mean, the unexplained “This is the worst article I’ve ever read” sounds pretty narrow-minded, given that it’s nothing but an out-of-hand, ideological rejection.

    • Yes and everyone named trump is super rich. Anyone named Walton is a multi-billionaire owner of wal-mart. Jeez anti-semite much?

  34. jojo says:

    It is understandable why dentists, physicians and the like are concerned about the growing usage of oil pulling. It is poor judgement to think that oil pulling can replace regular or needed visits to healthcare providers. It is narrow in thought to totally disregard the fact that the oil pulling process has benefited a multitude of people around the world. I have been oil pulling for just over a month. Symptoms of migraines have ceased, teeth are whiter and breath is fresher, sinuses are clearer, post nasal drip has lessened, wrinkles have decreased. It is amazing.

  35. Connie Dunn says:

    I floss and brush regularly. I just recently developed tooth pain. I oil pulled with coconut oil and a couple drops each of clove, cinnamon, orange and oregano essential oils. Pain is gone. Will I still go get it checked? Sure. But did it work? Yes. Are there metaphysical connections to the pain? I think so. When I work on the emotions commensurate with this pain in pseudoscience as you say, it creates change. Maybe some feel this way, but the west and east methods both have their place, and should work in concert with one another.

    • Connie I respect your passion. But I disagree with your assumptions. First of all oil pulling is not a traditional eastern medicine as pro-ported. It roots are in the last 100 years. Secondly there is no eastern-western medicine. The east uses just as much “western” medicine as they can afford to use. Secondly the division between these types of ideas are actually proven medical treatment and ideological belief system. Finally clove helps tooth pain the oil has nothing to do with it. That is like saying I took coconut oil and aspirin and the oil made my headache go away.

      • Brad says:

        Oil pulling, look up Kavala. It is in any of the Ayurvedic texts….. 5000 years old. Just 100 years huh?
        Charaka Samhita in Sutrasthana maybe page 39 or so.
        You guys kill me. Seriously.

        • Brad says:

          And also, I believe all of these are also references of oil pulling in Ayurvedic texts dating way beyond 100 year back.

          1. Bhavamishra: Bhava Prakasha, Verse:
          chapter No: 5 sloka:316,edited with
          Vidhyotini Hindi commentary by
          Brahmasankara Mishra and Sri Rupalalaji
          Vaisya, published by Chaukambha Sanskrit
          Sansthana, 1999 edtn.
          2. Sushruta: Sushruta Samhita with
          Dalhanacharya ‘Nibanda Sangraha’
          commentary.verse Chikitsa stana: 24 Sloka :
          03 Edited by vaidya yadvaji trikamji
          acharya. Chaukamba orientalia, Varanasi.
          2003 edition. p 487.
          3. Vagbhata: Astanga Hridaya of Vaghbata
          with ‘Sarvanga sundari’ vyakya of
          Arunadutta and ‘Ayurveda Rasayana’
          vyakhya by Hemadri.Sutrasthana:2, sloka: 1,
          Edited by Pandit Harishastri
          bhishagaacharya Krishnadas academy.
          Varanasi. 2000 year edition. p 023.
          4. Charaka Samhita of Agnivesha with
          ‘Ayurveda Dipika’ commentary by
          Chakradatta edited by Vaidya yadavji
          trikamji acharya, Chaukamba surabharati
          prakashana. VARANASI. 2000 edition.
          Sutrastana 30/26 p 187 & Sushruta Samhita
          with Dalhanacharya ‘Nibanda Sangraha’
          commentary. Edited by vaidya yadvaji
          trikamji acharya. Chaukamba orientalia,
          Varanasi. 2003 ed. Sutra stana 01/22 p 5
          5. Charaka Samhita of Agnivesha with
          ‘Ayurveda Dipika’ commentary by
          Chakradatta edited by Vaidya Yadavji
          Trikamji Acharya, Chaukamba surabharati
          prakashana. VARANASI. 2000 ed. Chikitsa
          stana 01:01/04 p 376
          7. Bhavaprakasha nighantu commentated
          by Dr.Krishna Chandra chunekar. Edited by
          Dr. Gangasahaya Pande, Chaukamba
          Bharati Academy, Varanasi, 6
          th Edition
          1982 Sutra stana 5/316 p 304
          8. Sushruta Samhita with Dalhanacharya
          ‘Nibanda Sangraha’ commentary. Edited by
          vaidya Yadvaji Trikamji Acharya.
          Chaukamba orientalia, Varanasi. 2003
          edition. Chikitsa Stana 24/7.8.9 p 480
          9. Bhavaprakasha nighantu commentated
          by Dr. Krishna Chandra Chunekar. Edited
          by Dr. Gangasahaya Pande, Chaukamba
          Bharati Academy, Varanasi, Sixth Edition
          1982, Sutra stana 5/40-41
          10. Sushruta Samhita with Dalhanacharya
          ‘Nibanda Sangraha’ commentary. Edited by
          vaidya yadvaji trikamji acharya. Chaukamba
          orientalia, Varanasi. 2003 edition. chikista
          stana 24/14
          11. Bela samhita Edited by Girija Dayalu
          shukla. Chaukamba orientalia, Varanasi.
          1959 edition. Sutra stana 6/15

          • Noah Dillon says:

            Those look like they’re all published in Hindi. Have you looked at any of them? It looks like they’re mostly commentaries on ancient Ayurvedic texts. Just because an idea is old doesn’t mean it’s good. An eye for an eye, healing with leeches, slavery, divine right of kings: all these things are very old ideas, and we’ve mostly abandoned them.

    • TB says:

      Cinnamon has antibacterial properties, clove and oregano sooth tooth pain. Many dentists still use clove based products!

      • Brad says:

        Hey Noah Dillon, Read.
        Stephen Propatier says:
        April 14, 2015 at 10:19 am
        First of all oil pulling is not a traditional eastern medicine as pro-ported. It roots are in the last 100 years.

        My comment with all of those ancient Ayurvedic texts that you have not studied but have a judgement about have oil pulling in them. Every single one.

        • Eric Hall says:

          In a review of the literature (from a highly biased journal) says most dental care was in the form of chewing sticks. They admit any mention of oil is brief and doesn’t involve swishing or any of the modern additions to it. It also wasn’t considered to be primary care.

          Also note they don’t cite the original text, but another review of the text. I cannot find anything which quotes or translates the original text.

          In other words, modern oil pulling shares some similarity to the ancient treatment. Chariots and cars share wheels, but I don’t say NASCAR racers are chariot racers.

          Finally, an argument from antiquity is not proof in any way of the validity of the treatment.

          • Brad says:

            Eric. Look up Kavala. It is what is being called oil pulling, well kind of. It is in EVERY Ayurvedic text form 5000 years back. You guys are fricken idiots and just wanna stand on a point that doesn’t even really exist. There is a hell of alot more out there in the world than just a Western way of seeing everything. Western science is not the only and best science. Wake up.

            Now, your reply is going to be to have me prove it with your research. NO! you prove that it doesn’t work. And when you do that, you need to understand what the hell your researching to do it.

            There is no use in even having any sort of real conversation here. You realize that right?

            It is like because you have never seen a rocket, aeronautics and space flight doesn’t exist.

          • Eric Hall says:

            The funny thing is Brad, you come make claims, and tie them in with insults towards the writers here personally, as well as chastising all of Western Medicine and science as an enterprise. You top it off with hallmarks of someone who is selling pseudoscience with phrases like “Wake up” and “true knowledge.” You then again claim it is up to us to prove you wrong, but that is not how science works.

            Also notice, I said it likely does work – just not in the way that is claimed. There is nothing special about oil pulling, and I object to the claims it is somehow superior to other methods, that it clears “toxins” when that is total BS, and that it is 100% safe (nothing is 100% safe and is usually a sign of selling nonsense)

            Pretty much everything you have done in these comments shows signs of a negative bias towards science and some need to sell your version of the latest pseudoscience. Is oil pulling fine? Probably. Is it some miracle over modern oral hygiene? Likely not.

  36. Jessica says:

    Your dumb. Research before you post. I only read top two paragraphs and I am fully aware that you are completely unaware.

    • Eric Hall says:

      Can you please inform me where I am in error? Otherwise your comment is not very helpful. If you have information to contradict what I have stated, I am happy to review it and if valid I will change my position.

      As a side note, please be sure to check your spelling when referring to people as dumb.

  37. Gertie Trude says:


  38. I live in India where people have the highest regard for Ayurved, along with allopathy and homeopathy. My mother is 85 years old, has been doing oil pulling frequently, has her entire set of teeth in tact and has never had a need to visit a dentist. She doesn’t use toothpaste and uses only meswak or a herbal powder to brush her teeth with…….perfect oral hygiene. In fact, most people from her generation have very good oral hygiene as they still stuck to the herbal/ayurvedic concoction of medicine/hygiene. Of course, we can go further and argue about every other little thing she does with her life to give her a healthy set of teeth……. But the premise for this comment is let you know that Ayurved is not some mumble jumble but has its roots in our culture and traditional medicines since the Indus Valley Civilization nearly 5000 years ago. We have Ayurvedic colleges where people get a full fledged medical degrees in Ayurved science and are practising doctors.

    So, while everyone can delve into facts to debunk the oil pulling/coconut oil theory, my experience tells otherwise.

    Another point to clarify is that it is not true that only coconut oil can be used for oil pulling. Another good oil is sesame oil…………..

    • Noah Dillon says:

      You said it yourself: We can go further and note that probably much of the rest of her lifestyle contributes to good health. Toothbrushing is far more important to oral hygiene than toothpaste, just like eating a healthy, low-fat, low-sugar diet is more important than eating any particular food. In the US, and in many other countries, there are schools of medicine that teach magic and mysticism, some of it practised for thousands of years. Its age and its certification doesn’t really matter. That’s not proof that it works. There are schools that teach card tricks and how to pull rabbits out of one’s hat. That doesn’t mean that people are magical. And the experience of your mother is not evidence of the effectiveness of oil pulling, since, as you’ve explained, there are other, more likely causes for her good oral hygiene.

      • Brillos says:

        I have terrible oral hygiene, despite brushing, flossing, gagging on toothpaste, had a poor diet for many years, and had only tried oil pulling for a month and my gums have finally healed, making brushing a bit more bearable.

        Using your logic, this experience should at least serve as an anecdotal road block. And using your logic: thumbing your nose and lumping natural remedies with magic tricks and scams, such as those fraudsters massaging a supposed cancerous patient, pulling pieces of raw meat out of his palm claiming he worked out a tumor. Citing fraud and magic tricks as evidence for things that don’t make the papers and text books don’t disprove anything, they just bulk up an argument with no regard to whether something could actually work or not.

        There are no western scientists or dentists who will back you up claiming it’s the fact or mere brushing that gives us Americans their amazing smiles, and can achieve this without toothpastes. You can cite an article or two on the subject, but there is no health professional that’s going to stand by bare brushing.

        Due to my poor diet and hygiene of the past (fun stuff to admit to a bunch of user-friendly intellectual strangers), I also had chronic yeast infections. Doctor gave me ointment, which I used day in, day out; it rarely so much as improved. Tried some otc versions, nothing. Noticed I felt slightly fresher inside after having a lot of plain Greek yogurt, something I assumed had minimal probiotics, and just ate incidentally. I still felt disgusting, so thought, what the hell.. I’ll try it topically for one night. I expected to feel ten times as disgusting (pay attention, I’m establishing my lack of bias and likelihood to fall for placebo effects to something I was that apathetic about). The difference in the morning was metaphorically night and day. 2 days later it was gone.

        I have repeatability. Since bad habits are hard to break, I’d find myself breaking out again when letting myself go. I ate like garbage still. I tried just eating a lot of the yogurt. It helped, but never got rid of external outbreaks. I’d resort to an overnight application, and it would be annualated again.

        I’m not a scientist with access to “double blind studies”, but to ignore reality is insane. You can tear me apart with the same logistical template you just used for oil pulling, and the same template anyone else uses. The text books (science) tells me, since it hasn’t been studied on record, I am full of crap. It says that creams, ointments, and medications are the way to go. Years with no effect. Hoarded of other people with the same lack of results.
        There are logical fallacies all over the place in the name of science, simply by way exclusion.

        . Reality is reality. such a basic medical condition… So many people left up a creek.

        It is not logical to only go after one side of the coin, and not your own. This article is full of irrational logic, such as citing the trace amount of oil in mouthwash as if it’s compatible with pure oil. Telling the last poster “it could’ve been any number of other factors” doesn’t make it false, any more than it makes it true. Rational thought loves to say things can be merely a coincidence, not only when it fits its argument. It’s abusive of logic to close doors when it’s convenient, and hide behind the occums razor.

        Unfortunately, I typed up what will be written off as “this diatribe” on my phone, spontaneously. So please grant me the same leaniency you did to the blog author who typed the actual article in a planned effort on a proper keyboard.

        • Brillos says:

          *despise brushing and flossing (I’m going to have to edit this at a desktop… What the hell was I thinking posting from a phone)

        • There is no side there is opinion and fact. You and others have opinions but there are no facts to back them up. You can guess-hope-suppose-suggest about a lot of things. When you don’t have research beyond a petri dish you don’t have anything helpful. Anecdotes are similarly unreliable and generally subject to mental errors that make people feel right when they are wrong. When untested treatments jump from anecdote to avocations you have crossed over from a treatment to an a ideology. I don’t recommend faith healing either yet people are just as passionate about that as well. There is no side. When it comes to this we just want to deal with reality rather than guesses or ideology. Observations pointing out the unproven and implausible nature of this is not a “side”; any more than pointing at the sky and saying it is blue when someone keeps saying it is red is a “side”.

  39. Mudguts says:

    allopathy and homeopathy are diametrically opposed concepts.. Hahneman even despised allopathy..

    Dont blame him.. you only have to look at the allopathy of acupuncture to see why he thought it was worthless.

    I am not sure if this thousands of years is true tho.. The theosophy schools injected into India (in particular) seemed to be the wobbly stuff that the usual gang of Blavatski, Besant, Leadbeater, Alcott and Steiner invented for their own particular religion.

    Surely somebody isnt equating allopathy as modern medicine in these times??

    Oil pulling and cupping etc etc are allopathies.. and as all allopathies.. useless.

  40. Brad says:

    I first have to ask, have you ever studied Ayurveda? I mean really studied it and not reading some book written for the Western market? I can only assume no by your posts and your replies to comments. It is obvious.
    So from there i would have to ask you to then write an article on underwater basket weaving because i think it would serve just as much purpose as you writing an article on Oil Pulling. You adding to the mass ignorance.

    I would voice my opinion which means nothing, and agree with you that the oil pulling fad is bunk. What is being sold out there is just as much snake oil as you say. But that is not from Ayurveda. It is a bastardized version that is not Ayurveda. It does not do all that the claims say because first of all, it is not the treatment done in Ayurveda. It does not follow any of the knowledge set forth in Ayurveda about Kavala nor does it follow the treatment protocol and of course it is not going to have the results that Kavala has and it will actually have risks involved to health when done incorrectly too.

    So you are not so far out on your opinion.

    But that is all they are….. your thoughts. Unsubstantiated but by your incorrect knowledge and research based upon incorrect knowledge of this treatment.

    Kavala is of four types. There is one that is a palliative treatment and one that is purifying in those four. The way it is being said to put coconut oil or any oil in your mouth and swish is not one of those treatments.
    Coconut oil is not used in this treatment ever in Ayurveda. That is a western concoction from a lack of proper education. Coconut oil will never be detoxifying from an Ayurvedic view. Can’t be. And the protocol that is being said out there is nothing of the actual real treatment that is detoxifying. BTW as detoxifying in the Western world is some bogus word put to anything anyone is trying to sell, this is not the detoxifying that Ayurveda does.

    For it to be detoxifying other treatments, which have not been said in ANY articles or blogs out there that i have seen, has to be done.

    Which leave this “Oil Pulling as a palliative treatment which does not do any detoxing by Ayurvedic standards.
    The substances that are being used are wrong for that.

    I must also point out that your view is coming from a very very limited view. Do you think everything in the world works on the paradigm of the Western world? Really? And then because something does not fit your way of perceiving, does it mean it is wrong? What is really wrong about all of this is the lack of any real education of Ayurveda in the West and then studies being done based in that.

    Do you realize that there are so so so many real functioning Ayurveda hospitals in India and in other parts of the world? this is not some woo woo medicine like you would portray. Did you realize that the education is a doctorate of 6.5 years in India and that the education is also of allopathy at the same time? Did you realize that there is also MD and PhD levels of education?

    But all of that is in India so i understand that you might not realize that. Even more your audience probably does not have any clue about that either since they have only heard of what is being marketed out there in the West with foofy books by Western credentialed practitioners. That itself is not Ayurveda.

    Another thing to mention is a whole paradigm thing. Ayurveda cannot be researched by Western methods as it does not work in that realm. I can use the example of taking an herb. In the Western world we research what is the herb and its actions and why on people. We look for what is continuous and what is able to be reproducible. Ayurveda has so much more depth than that. If you take an herb like say turmeric. The time of day it is taken will have a different outcome. The delivery vehicle that you take it with will change how it works as well. The time it is taken as far as food or before or after a meal or in the AM vs the evening has an huge effect as to how the herb is going to act. There is other herbs that are also taken in combination that will change its effect. And a whole lot more. Not to mention that each person is different and has their own individualization and well as their disease state which will have an effect on how the herb is used and the results it produces. In fact, in Ayurveda, your not treating the disease like in allopathy. And much much more. You just cannot research Ayurveda by this empirical method and the same applies to Western allopathy, it falls apart as soon as you put the Ayurvedic lens on to it.

    But without ever studying this as well as experiencing it, how would you ever know any of this?

    Furthermore, we both know the truth about research, don’t we? You rely on Western research to prove what your saying but wow, I can find all sorts of Western research that is completely flawed…. double blind or not. Western research has even disproved what its past research has shown, so drop the research thing, k? Beside, if you wanna disprove something, do a proper study on it from legitimate source of information of what it is.

    Just saying, as your are an intelligent man….. I wonder if you see the flaw of your perception.

    Since living and studying Ayurveda is what i have been doing for many years, i can say that what you are seeing as Ayurveda is not. i can also say that i see daily what is impossible by Western means and looks like miracles or something. It isn’t snake oil. I have my own experiences to speak of for that, as well as my mother does not have Osteoporosis anymore after just one month of treatments. I have a friend who has done a documentary on her cure of breast cancer through Ayurveda in india at a reputable hospital after being given 6 months to live by the top oncologist in France. These are just a couple things and i have a long list of what i have seen and participated in as well.

    So yes, western oil pulling……. totally bogus…….. and not Ayurveda. Please separate them when defining what you are talking about.

    • Eric Hall says:

      Life span in India is 12 years less than the U.S. I’ll take the extra 12 years over “ancient wisdom.”

      • Brad says:

        And the average american takes how many prescriptions to sustain their less than quality diseased lives?

        • Brad says:

          Eric, I actually agree with you on many of the things you have said. You think i am bashing Western medicine, no i am bashing the arrogance that Western medicine has thinking it knows everything as you tend to do here with most of your buddies.
          The fact is, kavala, is what they are calling oil pulling. It is very much not what is actual ayurveda as i said before. It can be done with many substances, even with water…. all based on the diagnosis of what is going on with the individual. It os never ever a one size fits all. I explained this before and then Mudguts had his usual idiotic response.
          How can a study on something that it does not even know the proper treatment that it is claiming have anything legit to say about the treatment. This is the point.
          You know as well as I do how hard it is to get a decent study into any Western medical Journal if it is not Western Medicine, so drop that being your stable grounds for discounting everything. My insulting behavior is only due to the ridiculousness of the comments made by your buddies who think they know everything and are blasting Ayurveda without knowing anything about it.
          You bash things being from ancient texts yet you have no research to show they don’t work. If your going to write a blog with the idea of pulling the ignorance out of it, then know what your talking about. Yes, I totally agree with you that oil pulling can be harmful, specially with coconut oil. Yes, without proper protocol, it is harmful, just as everything can be. We are actually saying some of the same things here and i did not come on here to create a fight. that was started by your team.
          I forgot that this is a Western science only blog. As a reminder, science means knowledge. in order to have it you must be open to learning something outside of what you know, not trying to disprove everything from the small box that you do know.

        • Eric Hall says:

          Before which our lifespans were how long?

          • Brad says:

            Considering that Medical texts in India indicate our lifespans are of one hundred years, and then there are the thousand other texts of different sciences in India that also indicate life span of 100 to 120 years…….

            Oh, should I mention here that the first nose job, prosthetics, and a whole bunch more things are found in the texts of 5000 years back in Ayurveda. Understanding of genetics before genetics Mendel came up with it….. a whole lot. World recognized “father of modern surgery”, “Sushrut.” Yes, he was from Ayurveda too.

            But since you have already studied and already know all of this about Ayurveda, i am sure you will have some nice comment to deny it or degrade it.

      • Daniel says:


        Might there be a few confounders here?

        In other words, the difference in lifespan may have to do with some other uncomfortable facts such as the relative poverty of the two countries, the availability of clean water, the number of people cooking on unsafe smoking stoves, etc. etc.

        So the difference in medical systems may have nothing to do with the difference in lifespan? The Indian one may even be better for all I know (and I don’t) and there would still be a 12 year gap in life expectancy.

  41. Mudguts says:

    Thanx for the Rant Brad..

    Have you ever studied chemistry?

    Ayurveda is still woo. If it cant be investigated its a religious practice.

    • Brad says:

      Yes, I have studied chemistry. Have you ever studied Ayurveda? And since the answer is no, how could you ever have any comment on it except your uneducated opinion?

      • Mudguts says:

        Yes, Ive studied the religions from whence It appeared to come and the loons amongst theosophy -anthrotheosophy that popularised it over the previous two centuries. The trial data and the health warnings about its use.

        Has Ayurveda got one up yet? NCCAM’s and WHO/UN are unaware of it.

        But still.. you have studied chemistry.. so give us the experts in ayurvedic chemistry that have outlined the (at least) biochemical processes that have been examined and published by these chemists.

        If you studied chemistry you’ll know that bad trial data is not being asked for.

  42. Brad says:

    The WHO has put out guidelines of Education in Ayurveda so they actually know all about it.

    You know nothing at all of Ayurveda.

    There are thousands of normal real hospitals all over India functioning as well as huge universities of Ayurveda.

    You guys are so amazingly ignorant on stuff you write about it is amazing. And so judgemental of anything you don’t know about.

    After you have gotten a PhD in Ayurveda, lets talk about how it is religious and everything k? Until then your opinion is ignorant.

    • Eric Hall says:

      Yeah, and for a small fee I can get a “PhD” online. It doesn’t make it valid.

      Also, you should note the date on the article. If you have any good studies after this was published, I would be happy to review them and revise my position as necessary. So far it is simply ad hominem and nonsense.

      • Brad says:

        Yes, and for a small fee, Western research is biased and bent. Knock off the holier than thou arrogance and nothing is up to your excellence. It garbage and actually not correct.

        Eric and your whole gang of bullies….. I will make you a deal. I will come to you. You put me up and get the people and the necessary research materials and we can have a real research by your own methods. Get 50 people, get 100. Whatever you want. Then you guys can actually speak of something you might have some knowledge about.

        Let me know when and where.

        • Good research is not western or eastern it is methodological precise and replicable. None of the research you keep talking about is any of these things. Belief no matter how strong doesn’t trump reality. How are we bullying you..? You came here to this website, no one made you. We simply point out the gaps in your logic and the failing of your information. Some how that is bullying you?

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    therapy. J Int Acad Periodontol. 2005;

    • Noah Dillon says:

      What are the conclusions of these? Benefits for oil pulling have been found. After several weeks it is possible that it gives about as much benefit as rinsing for a few days with a regular mouthwash, or even just water. That means that although it’s beneficial, it’s less beneficial than conventional treatments. So posting a bunch of citations doesn’t really move anything along. Take the second Asokan article, for instance. It describes virtually no difference between regular Cepacol mouthwash and sesame oil except price and taste. However, sesame oil is far more expensive than Cepacol in the United States, and most people use flavored mouthwashes that mask the unpleasant taste. Consequently, the spoonful of sesame oil is not only more expensive, but also tastes worse.

      • Mudguts says:

        BTW.. cut it with the cracks on some of my cooking and food prep raw materials guys.

        I use lots of lipids in my cooking.. cepacol would taste rather awful

    • Mudguts says:

      Big whoop… any idiot can do a trial.

      You need to do science to report it as some estimate of fact.

      So, does one of thos papers you lifted from the blog report science?

      Oh and can you do a meta analysis on the rest? We like to be entertained before we comment on blogsperts handling of misrepresented data.

      Why? The web has a huge amount of religious to filter out..

  44. lmregal says:

    I went looking for an article that discussed the negatives of coconut oil and oil pulling because I believe I’m having a mild reaction and stumbled on yours.

    Your written argument seemd contrived of confirmation and/or ingroup bias and I believe the response posted by commentor Justsayin was attempting to make this point. I found it unfortunate that you didn’t continue the conversation or at least attempt to seriously consider of some of the simple science involved in the opposing argument.

    Although it certainly made for interesting commentary! My biggest disappointment came after reading your personal info. and finding that you teach Physics and profess in striving to be rationale and reasonable, etc.

    I’m a receptionist. I have a decade old associate’s degree that matches my profession. I had to pick myself up off the floor after that.

    You’re a Physics professor! Just your occupation tells people you’re intelligent and logical. So why did you choose a fashion article as the means to break down your agument? I realize prior to this you had links to other sites from other like-minded writers but I was still struck that out of the dozens of results that pop-up on from a random search engine you target this one. It’s such a base blog to measure your argument against; a musing from a fashion blogger instead of slightly more educated option. And, of all the equally insubstantial posts toting the benefits, why point your finger at the one without the slightest shred of scientific “fact”? You cite and argue this gentlemen’s opinions as if he embodied your opposing parties entire argument rather than the very obvious compilation of his limited personal experience and minimal background reading. On a literary note (one that I have to believe you’re aware of) it’s frowned upon both in educationally and as a professional to cite indirect sources; which you did when listing pro oil pulling tenements pulled from your fashionista’s blog which I’m sure you’re aware he pulled from a WIDE variety of sources.

    I’d venture to say that your detractors in the comment section aren’t as upset about the evidence your presenting against oil pulling as they are about your treatment of the subject. If you deem it as a ideological belief system, a pseudoscience, a hoax your approach should rise above those trappings and sadly it reads nothing short of tribalistic in and of itself. If you’re convincing us that modern dentistry is based in sound science and oil pulling is an old wive’s tale of course we’d be inclined to question your legitimacy after seeing you poorly rip apart the lowest common denominator in reference to the subject (hence my mention of cognitive dissonance earlier). I’d suggest taking a better developed post, perhaps one that argues for oil pulling on some scientific level (they’re out there) and sink your teeth into it. Sadly it may make for less entertainment in your comment section but who knows… maybe not.

    Now if you’ll excuse me I have to go raid my bathroom vanity for some Benedryl to get rid of the rash that has spread exponentially since coconut oil pulling this morning. Most blogs are convinced it’s just toxins escaping but to be safe I’m going with the few saying I’m allergic to coconut oil. Ah! The joys of relying on the internet for sound mesical advice. Oh! and wish me luck when I visit the oral surgeon later this week to consult on whether oil pulling has caused massive aggravation or a mild infection to the gums surrounding wisdom tooth. Oh! And more luck when I have my first wisdom tooth pulled due to the latter! Cheerio Now!

    • Eric Hall says:

      I chose the fashion blog because it is that, and other types of sites, where people tend to (sadly) get there scientific information. I don’t necessarily outline all of the links I search before writing, but many of the articles spurred off of that fashion blog passing it off as fact (including a couple of the local news stations). Sadly, because the article was about health, people tend to take it as proof no matter the source because it confirms their bias.

      Part of fighting pseudoscience on the web is through linking to those popular sites. When search engines see the connections, it helps our search ranking as well. Thus, when someone searches “oil pulling,” the fashion blog ranks high because of the number of news stations and other sites that link to it. The side effect is it also helps our ranking, thus you are able to find us when searching for something about oil pulling.

      Finally, I tend to write this blog very informally. In fact, my primary area of research is in physics education. There is plenty of talk about the nature of science writing and needing people to bridge the gap between science and culture as a whole (think Bill Nye, Neil Tyson). There is even talk about scientific papers being difficult to read and perhaps rethinking how we write them. So I write quite often about the crossing of culture with science. I try to link to legitimate science journals when evidence is needed.

      It also isn’t illogical to point out articles which support my conclusion. Justsayin is using the false equivalence argument to say I went searching for my already reached conclusion. Do I tend to trust the other writers here, and writers of science based medicine? Absolutely. I’ve written about that on Skeptoid as well. Source is not the sole measure of quality of evidence, but certainly I don’t feel the need to scrutinize something from there as I do from “New website that popped up 3 months ago blog.” I am probably going to trust “Nature” over “Entropy.” Again, do I evaluate each one on its merits? Yes. But do I need to spend as much time when sources have proven themselves to be reliable? No. It doesn’t make sense to do so.

      Finally, these more “educated” opinions for oil pulling were addressed in the articles I linked in my piece. There was no reason to go over them again. And honestly, the “educated” science on oil pulling is limited – because there is such low plausibility it is hard to form a cogent hypothesis to test.

  45. Amanda says:

    I stopped reading your “article” as soon as I saw you put “naturopathic” and “doctor” in quotes. I don’t know about my teeth bc I just started oil pulling a few days ago and have no need to go to the dentist, but my sleep is incredible and my hair is soft and my skin is glowing. I will definitely continue to oil pull! But go ahead and keep taking meds that will can cause horrific long term side effects! I wouldn’t want to be in your body – or have your brain (or lack thereof!)

    • Mudguts says:

      you started oil pulling a few days ago and have declared you dont need to go to a dentist..

      Dont what ever you do peel carrots…

  46. Mudguts says:

    I suppose its quite appropriate to dump this article by Edzard. It covers all the science bastardry Ideas of the theosophists (vedics sorry) an it covers who shouldnt have an opinion.

    So.. who has an opinion? As far as Astrology goes.. None. Its essentially a knitting course that may get a certificate from a totally non accredited special svhool for money harvesting.. (you get a free one from Brian!)

    About thirty years ago.. you could get a knitting level certificate from a NSW Tafe in astrology.. it hasnt changed much..

    So what is an astrology certificate worth outside some mumbo jumbo ordering around an ephemeris?


    But understanding astrlogy does really help if you are reading ancient texts.

    PS the number of times I have taken an astrologer out and asked.. whats this, whts that, which way does it traverse the sky? etc etc.. is precisely the number of times an astrologer has said.. that really doesnt have an impact on what I do..

    Makes us wonder (chord solo Jimmy!)

    • Brad says:

      Although I would completely agree with you as far as what is out there in the masses as per the education….. specially in the West for astrology, once again I would repeat the exact same as i have to Eric…… you have personally not studied Astrology, therefore your ideas about it, the opinion you have created about it and what you write here about it has no validity what so ever. Is it really that hard to grasp for the two of you? Really? I personally do not care what articles you put up here from someone else who has not studied astrology as well. Get someone that has actually taken the years of study that it really takes to learn anything what so ever with any depth and then have them write an article and then you might have some validity, as far as all your saying….. none what so ever.

      • Mudguts says:

        Oh.. as a scientist with a scientific opinion to offer on astrology.. I can pretty well pin you on that.

        Now lets go your your lack of opinion.. as astrology as astro mancy is so dismally poor as any predictive tool other than fixing a faux bigotry.. Are you studied in astrology? Do ou at least have the knitters certificate advertising you are an absolute charlatan at any thing predictive>

        And where are these international astrology experts.. in the dowsing schools advertised in the east and west.

        What is your expertise over someone who has enjoyed the night skies looking at the zodiac and the planetary motions producing absolute fools out of every astrologer (qualified) that has asked to join in on these teaching expeditions…

        Has the “supermoon” addled your brain into thinking that quackery stands for something????.

        My predictions of you have turned out to be correct at every stage..

        You are fulfilling this one doubly..

        Please, knitting certificates and diplomas do not count as expertise..

        • Brad says:

          You continue to spout your opinions only. Obviously, you have not actually studied any astrology so what value does your opinion weigh?

          What does it matter my qualifications? Notice i have not stated anything about astrology, just asked your qualifications and that has been answered quite clearly in your replies. You have none, just what you have read and what you have come up with from it.

          You see Mudguts, the major problem here is that you guys have never been to the Antarctic (or whatever), yet you might have read books on it and think you understand it, and possibly even have looked at a map….. yet, you have never experienced these things you write about. Just from your limited couch in your living room, then spout your opinions like your an expert or something. Then when someone else comments anything, your both quick to use the same logic that i am stating here against them to devalue their experience or whatever and add in your “scientific” evaluation from only the small box you know, without education or experience in what it is.

          I care not how many astrologers you have talked to. I too see most people out there as uneducated and with a quick certification without much fundamental comprehension of what it is they are doing. In that way we agree. Charlatans or whatever you wanna call them, fine. But yet you too are a charlatan, in the way you do not know of what your talking about but yet present yourself as “knowing”. There is a hell of alot more in this world than just your view of things from reading books and looking for “your” scientific verification of things, that is until the next research proves that last one wrong.

          I do not believe it is in the theme of this website to just put out information like all; the other websites that it is complaining about and all the charlatans as you are calling them but so far that is all i see here. It is not my job to educate you. I will tell you that your missing something but if you wanna know something for what it is, you need to do the work, unless you wanna pay me for my services then i will be happy to teach you. Trying to insult me does nothing as you don’t know me nor does your opinion mean anything at all, obviously.

      • Mudguts says:

        Jeez you take a while to make these trivial responses when you are on the run…

        Out with it.. your qualifications on astrology.. (and not from the hoboken – dehli crochet club)

        Lets examine your ability to form an opinion on astrology…

        Now Eric has a masters from memory and should be pretty close to presenting a PhD for the period he has been sitting on his masters.

        Where can you say (as a possible honours knitting certificate with cupcake prize (Astrology) tell us why you arent the senior actuary at one of the worlds formost insurance companies… FGS Standards organisations are clamouring to employ you for your prescience..

      • Eric Hall says:

        Plausibility is important in science. There is little plausibility of astrology working in the proposed way.

        • Brad says:

          Yes, Eric, Agreed. From a limited view of not ever studying something for what it is, from its paradigm or context and from a real teacher and then just reading books made for the masses or articles written by fellow compatriots of the same lack of education and experience, you are absolutely right. But I think that is also called ignorance huh?
          What the hell is scientific about having an opinion (for mudguts, the actual dictionary meaning of opinion is having a view or judgement of something without it being based in fact or knowledge of it), which in fact is the only thing both of you have stated so far. Neither of you have actually studied Ayurveda nor Astrology, although i do not believe that you, Eric, have stated anything about astrology yet but I would guess that it is soon to happen.
          Plausibility, is only based upon the level of comprehension one has.
          It is very plausible that both of you are wrong in your assumptions.

          • Mudguts says:

            So Brad.. there is science and there is nonsense.. and astrology is nonsense.

            Thanks for the admission. I have an opinion on astrology ;

            There is no difference between eastern and western astrology or western or eastern bunk therapies or western an eastern religions.

            They are all the same thing.. sure the terms differ.. They are fascinating and useful in historical studies.. but all three are bunk.

            Do I understand the basis for astrology far better than any astrologer would? Damn tooting. There are no astrological faculties anywhere ..

            So, I have no idea where you are coming from. Unless of course your bed of nails irks you somewhat.

          • Eric Hall says:

            So far your only claim is that we are not knowledgeable. It is the No True Scotsman fallacy.

            Please, enlighten us on what makes swishing oil that makes it special compared to say mouthwash or water.

          • Brad says:


            It is no where at all my job to educate you. Specially when all you want to do is tear something down. You don’t actually wanna learn. You already know everything or think you do.

            You wanna learn something else than what you already know? Study and open your mind.

            I am in no way at all woo woo. I am as big of a skeptic as you guys actually and cannot stand when people don’t have any clue of what they are doing and just stand on belief or the newest thing in the states is intuition (more like imagination) but I went out and learned and experienced, I didn’t try to prove stuff by taking it from what I knew already and using that filter. Keeping everything in a very small box. A whole world opened up for me.

            Undoubtedly, you or your comrade in arms will has some snide remark to rebut as usual.

            As for your Scottsman thing, Your loss and a really great excuse. If there is A and B, and you only know A. You don’t know B. To say it doesn’t exist is just ignorant/arrogant. If science was like that, as you are pretty much stating it is, we would be more stupid than we already are today. If you have only read and seen pictures of alaska, you do not actually have knowledge of alaska. If you have not been there and experienced it, you do not know. If you have never even heard of Alaska, does that mean it doesn’t exist? Remember that the world was flat at one time?

            Just as a example of that, when people thought the earth was flat, that same culture that you are trying to say their medicine is woo woo or whatever, knew for centuries all about heliocentric and geocentric and the distances of ever planet as well as their circumferences.

            Maybe just maybe, there is something more than what you believe.

            And no, I am not in anyway shape or form gonna try to teach something to a person who just wants to prove their view correct.

            I could also add from that same paradigm that you say is woo woo and does not exist, i have personally seen over and over daily and for years, what is not feasible in western science like bone cells being grown back to life and diseases being cured by methods that would never make any sense to you guys. The saddest part of it is that your egos and need to be right by your methods, are stopping people from being helped by some real incredible stuff.

          • Brad your obviously passionate about this stuff. Were not dismissing what is said we are just asking for reasonable evidence. Humans are very very bad at guessing the cause and effect just by observing. It needs structure. Science is the best structure to carefully and logically evaluate whether or not something works. I am sure you well aware that just as many people believe some thing that you might feel is ridiculous. Things like faith healing, witchcraft, voodoo, the list goes on. Those people like you have seen these things. They feel that those things are just as effective as what your recommending. It carries the same level of evidence as what your offering. Scientific skepticism as a philosophy is…. Use the best method to determine if something really works or not. The scientific method is the best available. Then using science carefully and methodically replicate your results many times.
            That method gives us reliable answers-period, the end. Things like isolated in-vitro studies, uncontrolled studies and index small number studies are the starting point not the “answers.” Replicated well controlled and structured studies are reliable but even they’re not 100%. The more replication of the results, the more reliable the answer.

            Just like faith healing… oil pulling has biologically implausible mechanism, devoted advocates, convincing stories, and believers. What they don’t have is well structured replicated research. Using oil pulling without that means that you are doing something probably useless, possible dangerous. Its not just true for you its true for any unproven medical advice. Sometimes we(Scientific skeptics) get passionate and frustrated because proper evaluation is not the default human brain function. People inherently search for patterns, pattern recognition often leads us down the primrose path. Because methodical evaluation is not the usually way we think about things we get frustrated by the same mistakes endlessly repeated. It is like offering your hand to a drowning man and he tells you to feck off. The frustrating nature of this means those of us trying to protect consumers can come across as arrogant condescending even rude. It is hard to be the person with the unpopular truth. We really are just looking out for you.:)

          • Eric Hall says:

            Believe – I don’t believe in science. It is simply the best method for observation because it reduces bias and brings us closer to the truth.

            I provided evidence as to why oil pulling is no better than any other mechanical action. Again, tell me why, specifically why that conclusion is wrong. You accuse me of being wrong, repeatedly, but provide no evidence to show your hypothesis to be valid. Thus, I would argue my conclusion still stands unless you have evidence of a conclusion which more closely matches the evidence.

          • Mudguts says:

            Not sure where the believeing in science ever came from.. Ive always stated that belief is a personal habit..

            Not something you talk about..

        • Mudguts says:

          Thanx Eric, Nice to see you quip in.

          Theres a lot to be said for science literacy. The best being folk want to be part of it!

          Reflecting on the predictions I gave earlier wrt theosophy as being the basis for world wide astrology and the current religious therapy movement, I have thoroughly enjoyed;

          1) Predicting that theosophy would be drawn on.. and was (guys its bunk by people who talked to “dead people” fro entertainment and funding)

          2) Predicting that ridiculous attempts at trial data would be made.. and seeing it rolled out..

          3) Predicting that garbage is treated as “knowledgable”… no a teenager is every bit as good at astrology as any qualified (of which there are none, anywhere) professionals.

          This is such a great vehicle for wheeling out fundamentalists.

          All that remains is watching them stand on their heads in faux offense..

          • Brad says:

            You still here Mudguts? Really? Everything you write is simply your opinion. And based in no actual knowledge of the subject matter as i said before. Why do you open your mouth? It is just an angry old man talking. Seriously. Your on the wrong website, cynics.com is next door.

  47. Brad says:

    The problem with skepticism is that it can be taken to extremes. Skeptics love to explain their views at the slightest invitation, whether or not they actually know what they are talking about as the case here on this post. It is mainly an ego problem and just covering up the insecurity. Doubt becomes an automatic rejection of things that one doesn’t know enough about. And in real skepticism one would have to question ones own philosophy, which is also not happening here at all. Skepticism has a question behind it in its purity, not a “its my way” grumpy old man. I too see the West as having mainly a believe in anything stupidity to it but god, i am so thankful i am not you guys either.

    • Mudguts says:

      Brad.. I just let you whine away., Ive proven how I knew precisely how poorly your material was on oil pulling and precisely how poorly you would behave.

      People need only read over this skeptoid.

      There is no basis for benefit over doing nothing with oil pulling, ayurvedic or astrology.

      But there is basis for your cutting and pasting.

      • Daniel says:

        There is no basis for benefit over doing nothing with oil pulling . . . . .

        Only the experience of many people, myself included.

        Science fanatics, as you seem to be, have this blind spot with anecdotal evidence. People who say: but it works. We are not lying or deluded – it (oil pulling) does work.

        So over to the scientists to find out why this phenomenon happens. It is no use saying that it does not exist.

  48. Me says:

    Good Lord… Live and let live already!!!

  49. Shannon Prestigiacomo says:

    When people say spit the toxins out, they are referring to the toxins that the OIL PULLED from the gums. That does not mean coconut oil is toxic.

    • What toxins?? that is a nonsense word in a biologic sense. Everything is toxic in the wrong dose and everything is safe in the right dose. What is it “pulling” and what tests have been done to show what the coconut oil has in it before and after? What is the dose of this toxin? the same questions are asked it is the same vague kind of scary response you see in a variety of pseudoscience. – its a toxin….. What is the toxin?….You know toxins… That is the inherent problem with most naturalistic based nonsense. Toxin is not a thing it is a dose.

      • William j. says:

        Way to stick it to Big Coconut.

      • Daniel says:

        Not toxins – bacteria.

        The oil attracts bacteria. It whooshes the bacteria out I read a comment on another website from a medic of some kind who decided he would test this thing about – the oil ends up full of bacteria. So he looked at the white goo under a microscope and found that it was chock full of bacteria.

        I think part of the case being made here against OP is that there is no research. Well maybe if there was some funding or interest in proving things where there is no or little money to be made, then there would be some real research.

        It is true that after OP my tooth pain is relieved. Would it be relieved by Water Pulling or Salt Water Pulling – I do not know. Research budget please.

  50. Laura says:

    I never believed any of the claims people made on their alternative therapies blogs whatsoever but I thought I’d give it a try last summer. After a couple of months I went to my dentist for some fillings and she said she would need her whitest. I was smoking and drinking loads of coffee and tea. She said I had impeccable dental hygiene, although I wasn’t really doing much, just the usual brushing and occasional flossing. I was happy to hear that but didn’t really thought it was the oil pulling.

    This month I fractured a tooth while having toast for breakfast and had to take it out. Dentist (another one) asked whether I went to hygienist recently because my teeth looked great. I asked him to take a look at some black spots that I thought would cause me trouble in the near future. He said that it was tooth decay indeed, but it had stopped, so it didn’t need treatment.

    I can’t say it’s the oil pulling. But while I have the same dental hygiene routine as ever and before oil pulling I had issues every year, now I’m only going to the dentist for check-ups and no drilling, thank goodness. This is just my experience. For 15 pounds spent every 6 months or so for 2 people, I think it’s worth a try.

  51. mudguts says:

    Had a look in the mirror before you bothered to start with the tirade from international gullibility?

    • mudguts says:

      That was aimed at Brad’s tirade. Sadly, we predicted that name calling as well.

      Psychic? no.. just used to it..

  52. Notplanningondebating says:

    I’m seeing a lot of “I haven’t tried it, so it must be bad.” If it’s not for you, all the power to ya! But it’s oil we use in our daily lives whether it be cooking or what have you. No harm in it, unless you’re being irresponsible obviously (irresponsible use of anything can lead to harm). I say don’t knock it till you try it. Mass paranoia goes both ways. There are scam artists and there are truthful individuals who genuinely believe in it. Why bother trying to weed the two out when you can divulge your own opinion by giving it a try, no website, article, doctor, or yogi can tell you how it will exactly affect your body unless you’ve decided to bathe in bleach, and some people still do that and are fine (who knows how really.) Educate yourself through trial, every body and everybody is different. Some things work for some people and others don’t. Why does it have to be one or the other? For prides sake? Well that’s just silliness. And that can be said for anything else to, be it religion, health, ect. Be happy for the people who love it and be happy for the people who approve of other methods! It’s not a hard thing to do. If you disagree with it to the point of turning to insults or agree with it to the point of slandering those who don’t then don’t bother making a remark. Because like I said, every body is different. I’m personally going to try it as I have noticed that using coconut oil on my hair whether it be “chemical-free” or other is doing wonders and I have not done anything different in my hair routine. So why not try it? If I don’t find it works for me then it doesn’t and I will just continue to do my regular routine. It’s that easy!

    • Noah Dillon says:

      “I have tried it so it must be good” isn’t much of a response. That’s the kind of reasoning that people use when they’re gambling: “I wore my lucky underwear and snapped my fingers three times and then hit the jackpot, so that must be the reason I won.” The thing about science is that we can statistically analyze both oil pulling and slot machine odds. And when scientists have done so they’ve found that while oil pulling has an effect, it’s a much weaker one than regular mouthwash. It’s about as effective as swishing water. You preference for oil pulling isn’t a matter of different bodies, it’s a matter of some people being very happy with that minimal result and others not being happy with it. The result is basically the same for everyone. It’s only a matter of how much they proselytize about it or not.

      • mudguts says:

        Ah Michael, Gullibility international is a for monstrous profit organisation…. I think Big Gullibility is probably a most fortunate gig thats easily gotten into..

        Its not that someone cant be too dumb or uneducated to join in.. Its probably that we are too stupid not to profit along with them..

      • Daniel says:

        Yiou write:


        Notplanningondebating says:

        October 6, 2015 at 2:31 pm

        I’m seeing a lot of “I haven’t tried it, so it must be bad.” If it’s not for you, all the power to ya! But it’s oil we use in our daily lives whether it be cooking or what have you. No harm in it, unless you’re being irresponsible obviously (irresponsible use of anything can lead to harm). I say don’t knock it till you try it. Mass paranoia goes both ways. There are scam artists and there are truthful individuals who genuinely believe in it. Why bother trying to weed the two out when you can divulge your own opinion by giving it a try, no website, article, doctor, or yogi can tell you how it will exactly affect your body unless you’ve decided to bathe in bleach, and some people still do that and are fine (who knows how really.) Educate yourself through trial, every body and everybody is different. Some things work for some people and others don’t. Why does it have to be one or the other? For prides sake? Well that’s just silliness. And that can be said for anything else to, be it religion, health, ect. Be happy for the people who love it and be happy for the people who approve of other methods! It’s not a hard thing to do. If you disagree with it to the point of turning to insults or agree with it to the point of slandering those who don’t then don’t bother making a remark. Because like I said, every body is different. I’m personally going to try it as I have noticed that using coconut oil on my hair whether it be “chemical-free” or other is doing wonders and I have not done anything different in my hair routine. So why not try it? If I don’t find it works for me then it doesn’t and I will just continue to do my regular routine. It’s that easy!


        Noah Dillon wrote: ( October 7, 2015 at 5:39 pm )

        “And when scientists have done so they’ve found that while oil pulling has an effect, it’s a much weaker one than regular mouthwash. It’s about as effective as swishing water.

        References please?

        • Daniel says:

          Daniel on Daniel

          Please ignore the whole quote from Notplanningondebating in my comment above. Pressed GO too quickly!

        • Noah Dillon says:

          Here you go: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/oil-pulling-your-leg/

          Lots of links to the studies cited. They look pretty good. I haven’t tried a lot of things, but I don’t assume all of them are bad. “I’ve tried it and liked it so it must be good” is also a delusion. I don’t mind that it’s not bad, but I think it’s silly and dishonest to falsify its benefits, and there are definitely some people who make claims for it that are definitely total bunkum and hocus pocus.

          By the way, there’s a difference between medicine and magic and you kind of allude to it: medicine works because it’s pretty predictable what will happen if a person ingests a medicine. We know how to set bones and treat hypertension or cancer because these treatments have been studied and even though all of us are different, we’re similar enough that aspirin works for certain problems most of the time, and doing a heart transplant works for certain problems in most cases. “Why bother trying to weed the two out”? Because one will hurt you and the other won’t. That’s why people bathe in bleach or try to cure themselves with “detox” diets or whatever—because they don’t distinguish between medicine and make believe. I’ve never heard of a yogi accurately diagnosing or prescribing. They’re not doctors. I’m pretty sure they say “try this oil, every body is different.”

          I don’t know what pride has to do with this or what you’re getting at there.

          Being happy is not the only goal in life. I’ve seen people who are totally happy as they destroy themselves and those around them, because their happiness was more important than care and concern for others. I think some of this stuff is benign, but that kind of thinking is, fundamentally, extremely toxic.

          Did I insult you?

          Coconut oil isn’t “chemical free.” Oil is a chemical, and it’s got waxes and other substances.

          I would strongly urge you to look into scientific skepticism more. The Skeptoid podcast is great. Skepchick is pretty good. Science-Based Medicine is good. Skeptic’s Guide to the Universe is good. Skeptics want people to be as happy and healthy and prosperous and curious as possible, at heart, and it seems like a really important part of that is being honest and rational about how the world is, being open to discovering new things, and not just believing whatever comes along.

  53. susan brown says:

    I get a kick out of these “reviews”. I LOVE that a lot of people laugh at people who DON’T buy into brainwashing advertisement and who instead actually know what true healing is for Body instead of the AMA and ADA making trillions of dollars out of lies, manipulation and deceit. I say goodbye and good riddance to these stupid people who fill up their bodies with carcinogenic toxins on a daily basis. It is true thinning of the herd. BTW —- there is “NOT ENOUGH RESEARCH” into other healing modalities BECAUSE THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES, AMA AND ADA REFUSED TO DO IT! It is in their best financial interest not do it. Moron.

  54. Hansen says:

    My skin cleared up and I’ve struggled with adult acne for years. It helps when I’ve too many glasses of wine the night before. My teeth? Sure, I suppose my next trip to the dentist will have her saying my mouth looks great, but what it has done for my skin is unbelievable! Not a skeptic.

    • Mudguts says:

      Thanks for the anecdote Hansen.. we get lots of them here.

      have you read up on the value of anecdote?

      • WIII says:

        Yeah because reality is low less valuable than arranging the red tape to get another bunk study to fall through. Gotta be spoonfed. Lap it up, num num num.

      • Cathy says:

        Yes, I have read up on the value of anecdotes. Here it is: (and by the way, this doesnt count for people that are so high up on their horse they can’t see past the end of their nose) (Hey did you see that? I put 2 & 2 together, lol, I am pretty good!)

        (back to the value of anecdotes) When people are sick, and “traditional” (modern medicine) has NOT helped them, they turn to looking for something to help themselves. Herbs/natural cures have been around since the beginning of time.

        People try them. A lot of times they are helped by them. They can’t hurt them. And by the way, before you say “oh yes they can” -do you know the statistics of what modern pharmaceuticals (drugs) do, and HAVE done, to people? If in doubt, just read the pack that comes in any prescription -or look up on any medical website the side effects of typical meds prescribed today (like DEATH as a possible one).

        When is the last time you heard of oil pulling, or any herb for that matter, causing DEATH?

        So unless you can get inside someone’s own shoes (life) and see the suffering they go through and are getting NO help from typical Dr’s, then you have no right to judge what may work or not for them.

        Funny thing is, one day this may come back and haunt you and you may be the one that thinks “what the heck, I’ll try it … it can’t hurt”. And maybe it will help YOU. Then you will see what it feels to be doubted and mocked. But I bet you’d never admit it. That seems to be just the kind of person you are.

        • Noah Dillon says:

          Actually, folk remedies can hurt you. Oil pulling doesn’t seem to risk much, if anything. It appears to have the same medical value as swishing with water and less medical value than rinsing with a regular mouthwash. Who has ever NOT had mouthwash work? No Rx necessary. No risk of death. No side effects.

          The same cannot be said of a lot of “herbal” or “natural” or “traditional” curatives. People have done all sorts of things since the beginning of time: the Romans sweetened their wine with natural lead. Bad idea. Japanese monks would eat lacquer and arsenic-laden water. Bad idea. People tried curing cancer with the super-poisonous natural peach pit extract amygdalin: really, really, bad idea. I’m sure you’ve heard of snake oil: traditional curative, bad idea. What do all those traditional, natural medicines cause? Death, death, death, death. There’s literally thousands more or the same.

          The thing about science is that we don’t have to rely on empathy to find a cure. We use data. My mom thinks certain things treat her diabetes. They don’t work. Me empathizing with her belief doesn’t change that. If someone isn’t being helped by their doctor, but can be, then it’s usually not a good idea to remove them from doctors completely. It’s far more effective to find a doctor that works.

          Do you know what they call alternative medicine that works? Medicine.

          • Daniel says:

            This is all fine too, Noah. Some “folk” remedies were no good.

            But do you deny what Cathy says, that “scientific” approved medicines have also killed and maimed thousands?

            Would you like to come along and explain to us the mechanisms behind this? If you do, then fine. If you do not, then what you say is partial – and yes, biased.

          • mudguts says:

            I’ve lost Daniel’s argument to the original post. Could someone repost it?

          • Cathy says:

            Quote: “The alcohol in mouthwash is thought to help cancer-causing substances such as nicotine permeate the mouth lining. It can also produce a substance called acetaldehyde, a carcinogen, which can accumulate when swished around the mouth. The study is published in the respected specialist journal Oral Oncology.”

            Keep on swishing!!

            PS. I stopped buying listerine years ago, as my husband used tobacco products since his youth. I had started reading in actual MEDICAL journals and saw actual DOCTORS saying that there was a link to cancer and mouthwash use. You know if DOCTORS actually say it, it must be pretty bad, cause they usually NEVER admit anything is bad for you that IS!

            Thankfully, my husband has been tobacco free for the last 8 months!

            But knowing firsthand what cancer can do, I am glad I stopped the mouthwash buying when I did. I wish I’d done it sooner.

            Funny, there are many on here that ‘dis’ oil pulling, but are so adamant that mouthwash is safe.

          • mudguts says:

            Did you cut and paste your comments?

          • Cathy says:

            No. I hit reply to your post and I put my quote where that put me on your page.

            Then, I went down to the middle, where someone had made another comment on how “good’ mouthwash was, and put it there, with some more things added to it, so THEY would know.

            Hey, you never know who might be open minded enough to want to learn something they didn’t know before.

            That is the same reason why I ALSO put it on the bottom. For those who might not want to waste all their time reading all the many, many comments in the comment section. So they could see it, too.

            I took time out of my busy day to stop and come on here and leave a reply to your “snarky” comment of: “Did you cut and paste your comments?” -to explain to you that I replied, and left comments, in the hope that I could help by educating and informing someone who may not know that listerine, and other alcohol based mouthwashes, are not as safe as they may have thought.

            You see, I try to do my part, when I can. Thats the kind of person I am. And I just LOVE copy and paste.

          • mudguts says:

            Open minded… Everyone here cringes when that dolly is mentioned.

          • Daniel says:

            well said Cathy. Mudguts would do well to make comments which hold up rather than mere “snarkeys”

          • Cathy says:

            Thanks! : )

          • mudguts says:

            well.. how man years have you guys been talking to wobbity people and not been influenced..

            Oh.. yer still wobbity people.. forgive..

            The whole point of talking to the woo lovers is.. to let them know the love the woo..

            Dont worry about sending a wedding invite..

          • Cathy says:


            Who are you talking to, again?

          • mudguts says:

            the wobbity people Cath..

        • Daniel says:

          Fine comment Cathy. It is strange indeed that anecdote (which = people’s experience) does not count for some people, even if there are tons of anecdotes, which for OP, there are. Are we all biasing each other with our anecdotes? Do scientists have no bias? That would be an extraordinary claim, as the human mind has an inclination to see what it expects to see. Maybe it would be helpful if the “scientists” took a good look at the anecdotal evidence, without bias. Just looked for possible explanations of how these anecdotes stack up.

          Pity about the last three sentences though. The first is possibly useful, pointing out how you feel, but you put it somewhat aggressively, which arouses defence response. The next two I would say are increasingly counter-productive. I know, it’s easy for me to say, sitting here, but just saying . . .

  55. mudguts says:

    Well Hi back.. we haven’t forgotten Buddy Holly either!

  56. Jamie says:

    My Family GP and dentist are both strong advovcates for hybrid care that includes Western with a mix of alternative & complimentary. Whether it’s Omega 3’s or OP they are both for it as long as the proof is in the pudding.

    Bottom line, as long as the alternative or complimentary is not jeapordizing my health or safety (monitored at my check ups) then it’s whatever turns my crank.

    For example my blood work has improved greatly since beginning my omega 3 regime….proof = blood work. I then added that free magic pill, exercise and it got even better…funny how a lot of people forget about that one !

    On the other hand I came across a suspicious mole that I went to my doc about ASAP. Immediate referral to a specialist who removed it & treated it. I wasn’t about to google a home remedy for that baby, however I did use (with his blessing, a paste of coconut oil, baking soda & iodine to promote the healing of the area.

    I’ve had horrible oral health my entire life, cavities, extractions, gum infections despite a good diet, regular brushing, flossing, mouthwash rinsing, salt water rinsing…you name it, I’ve tried it, including seeing a hygienist 2x a year.

    Well I came across this OP thing about 18 months ago and said, hey it can’t hurt. Well after 6 months the hygienist complimented me on how much better my overall oral health was.

    Instead of breaking out the grinder and scraping the hell out of my teeth & gums that left them sore for days afterwards there was hardly anything for her to do. The dentist noticed a big change as well! When I told him about the OP….which was the only change, he replied, “if it works then good for you”.

    So, does this mean I stop going for regular check ups?? Of course not, but it means that now I only have to go once a year and I no longer buy or use regular mouthwash. Instead of the usual couple of cavities that I had at every visit (every 6 months) I’ve had one in 18 months.

    No double blind testing, no science involved, just a healthcare system for me that involves an open mind, and common sense…..the proof was in the pudding.

    • Mudguts says:

      Isnt that nice.. a bit more anecdote harvesting… If woobity claims wont get us I am sure social hypochondria will…

      Err no…

      • Cathy says:

        So says the person who, when modern medicine has failed them, and has given up on them, and given them absolutely NO hope, will be the first one to try ANYTHING -cause, yea … they kind of think they LIKE this here life they’ve been given. And will do anything -including fighting with every means they can find, to try to LIVE.

        Or maybe you will just lay there and die …

        ME? I will fight to my dying breath, with everything I have in me … and when modern medicine says that’s all we can do for you, I will not lay there and take it -I will KEEP fighting … with any option I can get my hands on.

        I know someone who was told there was nothing they could do for them, they had severe cancer that they only had a few weeks to live. That person went to MEXICO and got alternative treatment that is OUTLAWED here.

        Guess what -he lived. You see, when it comes down to it, people will fight and do anything to survive. So, Mr Cynical, I wonder when push comes to shove, what YOU will do???

        • Mudguts says:

          Sorry, I dont play the violin.. so cant do mournful tunes to background the comments either..

          • Will says:

            So do you live your life not doing anything that could be tagged as your favorite, anectdotal? Keep spoonfeeding, resident trollboy. It doesn’t matter if it works, if I can’t tout it as double blind peer reviewed fml. Those things are great for progress…but you seem to advocate people who only live their lives in a glass jar.

            You know what else is anecdotal? A doctor cueing up a Q & A diagnosis (or non-diagnosis) based on ten minutes of leading the patient because of a drive-by assumption of the patient’s character or demographic, requiring ten different doctors before something is actually found. Is that practicing science? No, not really. Doctrine and arrogance, maybe. Keep thumping those statistics regardless of what’s outside your window.

            That guy should go back to doing what he was doing before, right? Because it’s anecdotal, because no one’s going to let those “studies” actually lead anywhere. He should stop. He shouldn’t mention it to anyone. No one should mention their attempts to get their doctors to help them when it fails, or worsens. You have this locked down, no matter what, in your reactionary yet laser focused mind.

            Where is your skepticism toward the other side of the fence? To all the endless drugs (some good, some bad) that get churned out and whip through their pop-up studies and screw over a portion of it’s users; or is that going to ignite a “gotta crack some eggs to make an omelette” or “casualties of the war of logic” diatribe?

            The human body was designed to fail until the 21st century, right? Nothing could possibly have “healing properties” because the loons took that phrase so now we can associate with loons, see how easy your job here is? You might as well be a bot.

          • Mudguts says:

            This is the place for the wobbity people to comment.. continue on if you will.. This is Brian’s spleen on the wall service for people who want to share their diseases and complain how reality affects their personal religions.

            BTW.. please include your Angel, Bigfoot and UFO comments.. they are just as valuable as the wallet dowsing chiropracty comments.

          • Cathy says:

            Very well put, Will. I know that story TOO many times with friends and family members and loved ones. It would almost be funny … if it weren’t so serious.

            Doctors have failed me. Modern medicine has failed me. The medical “community” has failed me. They have failed almost everyone I know, with very FEW exceptions. (Actually, really only ONE.) Friends, family, loved ones … all failed by their doctors. It’s actually pretty sad. AND unbelievable.

            And then you read on-line, people’s life story after story -of the same thing. Doctors fail them. They cant find the problem. Doctor arrogance. Doctor incompetence. Doctor “so busy-ness” that they cant take the time to delve deep when necessary. Or look harder when they cant seem to figure it out.

            And oh, SURE … when it’s something EASY -walla! They pull a ‘trick’ out of their ‘magic hat’ and ‘look good’.

            But Heaven forbid if it’s something a little bit complicated.

            Oh, wait -it doesn’t fit in the “mold” -sorry. Dont know whats wrong. And you, young peon, cant possibly know (even though it’s your own body and you know it better than anyone else what might be wrong), so we most CERTAINLY won’t look there!!

            Why, you’re not “educated’. You didn’t go to Harvard! I paid a LOT of money to go to that school. You cant know something I don’t know!!! You’re not that smart!

            I know all. I am a GOD. Dont question me, ever, or you can get out and find another doctor. I am also a Saint. Build a statue to me. Hear me ROAR!!!!! (sarcasm fully intended)

            -Sadly, this is more doctors than not. in fact, I don’t know one GOOD doctor in all my years. I knew one half DECENT -but even SHE had her faults and you had to “play the game” -you can’t KNOW anything.

            As for mudguts … He’s apparently been fortunate. So he will continue to live his closed mind. I don’t think he’ll change his tune, unless a little thing like reality hits close to home. THEN he might.

            It reminds me of some of the older generation of actors (or etc.) who, when they were young, had a very liberal stance and they were SURE they were right. But as time passed, and they lived their life, had some reality of their own, their opinions changed.

            I just think it’s interesting that as people get older (and sometimes wiser!) they grow and change. As they experience life, the things that they were so against, or they were SO right about, end up changing.

            PS. Just one, small, little example. My sister had problems with her ears. Her doctor checked them all out and said they were fine, no wax buildup or anything. Must be something else (and she is a fairly decent doctor, for the most part).

            So forward to the ear, nose & throat specialist. What’s this? Your ears are FULL of wax buildup -let me get it all out for you. WOW -that was what was in my ear and causing problems? Yep.

            So, if your doctor, who you are supposed to trust to take care of your health, cant even tell you, with her tools to look inside and see (the same tools HE used), that you had an ear full of wax ——something so small and every doctor ‘knows’ ——-how the *beep* can you trust her with the REST of your health??!!
            How are you supposed to believe she is competent with all the big IMPORTANT health issues and problems, when she couldn’t ever tell you that you had wax in your ear?!

            i have a vote of no confidence. In almost all doctors.

            Then factor in the mistakes they make, the wrong medicines they give people, the side affects of said medicines, including death. … Just how many people die a year from these things? Who is overseeing it? Are they beholden or linked in any way? (we all know the answer to that one, or i should say “we” of “we” who have intelligence and basic common sense. I could go on and on. This stuff just burns me up!

          • Mudguts says:

            Pull out the little violins and give a cheer for the social hypochondriacs..

            Guys, If you used point form you could remember a whole raft of diseases you have had..

        • Daniel says:

          Nice one Cathy.

          I have a relative with late stage bowel cancer. He lives far away so I do not know how he is likely to be dealing with this, I know he is on the usual treatments. If they do not work, what then? If he is disposed to fight all the way then I will show him your email, as a start . . .

      • Jamie says:


        I came across this site by chance and skeptoid is a great name for it as the arguments made to debunk some of these topics are as entertaining as they are ridiculous.

        It’s a well known fact that Big Pharma/modern medicine has turned to the jungles around the world seeking new treatments & curatives for decades.

        How many “modern medicines” do you think originated from plants and reptiles from those areas? Hmmmm……and how were they discovered……hmmmmm, oh yes, by “anecdotal harvesting” from ancient tribes people who never wore white lab coats.

        I guess Big Pharma, that spends gazillions on gathering this information btw, must be “woo woo” as well. Hell they have the best of labs and access to every man made chemical in the world so why on earth would they bother with ancedentol information from a bunch of uneducated ancient tribes people when they can just whip up the next Celebrex?

        I guess the bottom line folks is that you are responsible for your own health. There is nothing wrong with being sceptical at times with the pharmaceutically controlled healthcare system we live in. Pill pushing doctors have their place but so do a lot of alternative treatments.

        Excuse me now as it’s time to take my Omega 3’s, and rinse with some coconut oil.

      • Daniel says:

        Oh dear, Mudguts, I don’t think you read what Jamie said

        • Mudguts says:

          I didnt even reply to a jamie…
          Mind you, if someone is touting integrative medicine here.. then they too are way off base.. a case of drinking out of the poisoned well of poor EB.

          Sure you can supplement your health with whats shown to be just as effective as prayer.. Thats called being religious.

  57. Cathy says:

    Quote: “The alcohol in mouthwash is thought to help cancer-causing substances such as nicotine permeate the mouth lining. It can also produce a substance called acetaldehyde, a carcinogen, which can accumulate when swished around the mouth. The study is published in the respected specialist journal Oral Oncology.”

    Keep on swishing!!

    PS. I stopped buying listerine years ago, as my husband used tobacco products since his youth. I had started reading in actual MEDICAL journals and saw actual DOCTORS saying that there was a link to cancer and mouthwash use. You know if DOCTORS actually say it, it must be pretty bad, cause they usually NEVER admit anything is bad for you that IS!

    Thankfully, my husband has been tobacco free for the last 8 months!

    But knowing firsthand what cancer can do, I am glad I stopped the mouthwash buying when I did. I wish I’d done it sooner.

    Funny, there are many on here that ‘dis’ oil pulling, but are so adamant that mouthwash is safe.

  58. Swampwitch7 says:

    I suffer a lot from oil pulling. No, I don’t do it: I have a conspiracy theory-addicted co-worker who believes in it, which is fine on the surface. You want to rinse your mouth with slime, that’s ok with me and I don’t care where you get it.

    But PLEASE do not try to sell your conviction by describing in glorious detail the particulars of the process. The nausea factor hits maximum within 30 seconds.

    If ya’ll enjoy oil-pulling, by all means pull oil. You are constitutionally entitled to your religious beliefs. Personally I prefer to use non-alcohol based mouthwash if that seems called for, and I promise not to tell you about it. A brisk tooth-brushing is even better. A little baking soda on the toothpaste does a nice non-pathological polish job also.

    • Cathy says:

      You just DID tell us about it. I get it. You wanted to be heard, too.

      You do understand oil pulling also involves that you brush your teeth -sometimes before AND after (whatever you prefer).

      I usually do it after -and I do it twice. Which makes my teeth even CLEANER! : )

      My mouth feels like I flossed, and I didn’t even have to!

      I like to use Tom’s of Maine fluoride free toothpaste. The mint is all natural and my mouth feels so fresh! I used Crest for years, but after trying Tom’s, believe me … you won’t go back!

      The Crest tastes artificial and gross after brushing with real mint. My kids won’t use anything but Tom’s, now. And no fluoride!

      The result of oil pulling is your teeth and gums are whiter and healthier than ever before. Your dentist will even tell you that!

  59. Gary says:

    It’s quite funny how you bash oil pulling and seemingly have a valid argument… and then you get owned by all of the comments lol. Oil pulling has worked for me personally, and I am not easy to convince.

    • Willos says:

      In before Mudguts regurgitates the words “Causation, correlation, and woo”. Three words that would make a Skeptoid drinking game deadly to a-many livers. Aye.

      • mudguts says:

        You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up

        the woo seems to be very important to people of that particular religion..

        BTW “Willos says:
        November 2, 2016 at 1:43 am
        In before Mudguts regurgitates the words “Causation, correlation, and woo”. Three words that would make a Skeptoid drinking game deadly to a-many livers. Aye.

        Sorry.. rarely use the terms “correlation and causation”. The woo doesnt understand either..

  60. Tinkerbell says:

    Don’t you think it’s ironic that Indians make up the largest minority in medical schools in the US?

  61. Stuart Kaufman says:

    Both parotid salivary glands have gotten inflamed twice in 5 months. Antibiotics and steroids only help to a degree. Is it possible that the oil pulling I do is clogging the ducts in those glands?

    • Noah Dillon says:

      Ask a doctor. Strangers on the Internet are not reliable sources of health information.

    • Cathy says:

      I doubt the oil is causing it, but that’s just my opinion. Maybe try a different oil. I would try coconut oil. That has antibacterial properties. -Or sesame oil. -And I always use organic and unrefined oils.

      I can only suggest what I would do.

      Also, make sure you brush your teeth well when you are done. AND drink a big glass of water when done. Those are important things to do, after you oil pull.

      Also, research inflammation on line. Look up and research herbs and supplements to take for inflammation. Look up and research what foods are inflammatory and avoid them. Look up foods that are anti-inflammatory and/or help inflammation -and choose them.

      If you take medications, make sure the herbs/supplements don’t interact with the medications you take. A simple search can tell you (there is so much info out there -and I always check things multiple times at different sites) but you can also check with your Dr.

      Dr’s can help us, but ultimately we have to make the choices for our own health, I think.

      I personally think Dr’s are good for some things, but have such a closed mind on others. And I honestly no longer trust them or have faith in them, anymore. Many reasons why. And here is the most recent one. … All I can say is what Dr’s did to me.

      This past September I got an infection from a cat bite (it was my own cat that I had to give medicine to). I was hospitalized and given antibiotics. I asked “should I be taking some probiotics?” -and was told to just “eat some yogurt” when I got home.

      After I got home, I got sick -then sicker -then even sicker. Long story short, I got c-diff from the antibiotics the Dr’s gave me. I trusted them. I never even knew that could happen -and they never warned me. The antibiotics destroyed all my good gut bacteria and let the c-diff take over. I know one thing, I will try to NEVER take them again, if I can possibly help it.

      The past 8 months have been the worst of my life. I am ever so slowly recovering and am STILL not back to normal. I talked to people online who took a year to 2 years to fully get back to normal. I did not take anymore antibiotics, but I looked up herbs and supplements that had antibacterial properties and took them as much as I could, according to what I researched online.

      The reason I chose not to take the antibiotics for the c-diff was how many people I saw and talked to online that, after taking the antibiotics to get rid of it, had it just came back -or get worse. The antibiotics did not work and made it worse, in my opinion. It makes me sick to think about it. About how sick I was. And am STILL recovering from it.

      Ultimately we have to research and make our own choices (even in taking what Dr’s prescribe). If you can find a Dr that will work with you, great. I used to have one that worked with me when I wanted to use something natural, and actually looked up different things for me to try. Unfortunately, she moved away. I cant talk to the one I have now and just do it on my own. Sadly, today in the USA most Dr’s reject any form of help/medicine other than themselves.

      Again, this is all only just my humble opinion and you must make your own health choices yourself.

      • Tinkerbell says:

        I don’t know why you at blaming doctors for your problems. Cat bites cause nasty infections that left untreated could have caused permanent damage to your hand. If the infection were to get into the bone, multiple surgeries may have been required. Sometimes you have to make choices between to options that both have risks. That is not the doctor ‘s fault.
        Also, eating yoghurt is more effective than taking a pro-biotic so you weren’t given bad advice.
        Sometimes you can do all the right things, and still have a bad result. That’s just life.

        • Cathy says:

          You don’t know why? Then I will explain to you why, if you cannot see it.

          It IS the Dr’s fault that they did not inform or warn me that this could happen.

          They KNOW that antibiotics kill off all the good bacteria that your body needs for your body/gut to run effectively. They should also know when giving antibiotics to ALSO prescribe massive doses of PROBIOTICS.

          Without the right balance of gut flora, you cannot absorb the nutrients your body needs to live and function. This will affect every aspect of your body -both physically and mentally.

          So … Either they are not “smart” enough to know and do this … or they don’t do it because probiotics are a ‘natural’ thing. But, seriously, if probiotics HELP people and can even POSSIBLY (if you are a ‘skeptic’) help people … shouldn’t they do both together?

          Is it not their oath to “do no harm”? Or is that a thing of the past and they just don’t care about people anymore.

          Probiotics could have saved me almost dying from the c-diff. I lost 45 pounds and was deathly sick. I had non stop debilitating diarrhea. I was in severe depression and insomnia so bad that I was barely sleeping an hour a day -if that.

          By the way, do you know what happens to your body when it is sleep deprived (thats sleep 6 hrs or less) for just one day? I suggest you look it up. Then imagine weeks and weeks -then months, of it. … And I could go on and on.

          Bottom line, in the end, probiotics DID save me. And massive doses of them -not just eating a yogurt a day. Along with massive natural herbals that have antibiotic properties. Whats a shame is that I had to do that on my own and couldn’t trust or count on the Dr’s …

          By the way, this is just one of many, MANY incidences in my life to me -or to my friends and family members -where Dr’s have failed us … repeatedly. Therefore, I do not have faith in them anymore.

          You, on the other hand, can choose to live your life as you see fit.

          If they had just even TOLD me to take the probiotics on my own, or informed me there was a RISK of it happening … but no, they did not.

          Incompetent? I would say yes. You can call it what you want. But I even talked to nurses whose Dr’s they worked for LAUGHED at causing peoples c-diff, through giving antibiotics.

          Again, YOU must decide what to do with your own body. And I guess it was live and learn for me. But I had never even heard of such a thing as c-diff and it’s pretty sad (and WRONG) that I could not have been given a warning as to what could happen and the risk involved, as I could have done the proper thing to help myself right away. … As such, that was not given to me.

          Therefore, I DO blame them for not informing me.

          Do you not think they had the responsibility to inform me of that?

          And if probiotics (and, lol, I don’t mean eating a yogurt everyday!) could have prevented it or had helped me, that I should have been prescribed them or at the least, told to take them on my own?

          If you do not see that, then you are a hypocritical person. One who says “trust the dr’s” -they needed to do what they did. … But then not have them take the responsibility to do ALL of what they should have done -which then caused me detriment because they did NOT. Whats sad is that it could have been prevented OR lessoned. Think of all the people that are dealing with this and some even dying from it. That, my dear, is NOT competence.

          You may choose to negate me and what I say, but I can guarantee you that you would be singing a different tune if it happened to you or to one of your loved ones. Sometimes (unfortunately) that is the only time that people will see the truth.

          • William says:

            I’ve had a doctor who saw me for 10 minutes before deciding to switch me to Depakote (when I was a teenager in the 90s). Part of that ten minutes he was on his phone. I asked him about side effects & interactions and he told me “look it up online”. The same online that tells me to “check with your doctor first”. I tossed the prescription in the trash. I already had a damaged nervous system from a previous drug.

          • Cathy says:

            Now THAT is incompetent. And rude. And arogant. -I have come to find a VERY lot of Dr’s have a “god” complex. Sad, but true.

            Besides the fact that it was HIS job to tell you, what made him think you even had access to a computer?! I may not be “up on it” -but in the 90’s did people have access to computers like they do today? I don’t think so. And you were a teenager to boot.

            Either way, that just shows how much you can count on Dr’s to help. And they don’t even LISTEN to you any more. They have really gone down in my opinion. I don’t think they really care about the people -its just a way to make money to them. Maybe not all, but I’d bet an awful lot of them.

            Hope your condition has improved. Best thing to do is take an active part in your own health. You are your own best advocate. It’s just a shame that no Dr really listens and tries to work with the patients anymore.

            It’s just -“take this pill” -which can do who knows what to you. And they never discuss options with you or explain anything etc. Its just “do this” – “cause I said so”. No conversation. And if you dare to question them, about anything, they consider you “combative”. Its sad what it is anymore. Or maybe it always WAS like this …

            Anyway, thank goodness there is internet access easily available these days!!!

          • mudguts says:

            Its been a while on this subject… A doctor that gives you drugs to treat a disease she/he has diagnosed has saved you enough for a full home style reiki rub down..

            Not that its gonna add to the doctors assessment..

            How am I getting across to the conspiracists who think they have an opinion on the matter?

            Dont forget guys.. time spent inside on the net is time missed outside watching contrails

          • William says:

            No diagnosis was made in my 10 minutes there, it was a flat out guessing game based on a 5 minute interview and a little bit of back and forth. The damage to the nervous system from said drug has been verified, as it’s pretty difficult to hide. I had to quit biking. I had to quit hiking alone.

            Yet you blindly defend this mindset. No science actually took place in said diagnosis based on an interview where 5 other doctors said 5 entirely different things that contradict each other. Which is it. They’re all right, no matter what? They can’t all be right. That is tinfoil country, right there. I know it’s scary to consider, sweet gentle Mudguts, but sometimes the people we pay and trust to care, simply do not. Not without jumping through a labyrinth of hoops. I thought it was an isolated incident. A bad egg. Well, depending on where you are, there is a lot of drive-thru doctoring that doesn’t actually add up or utilize scientific practice other than ordering nurses and labtechs to fire off the routine tests looking for the easiest of answers. The thought that you might actually be responsible for your own health and recovery in 2017 would scare the living hell out of you had you not been lucky to be this arrogantly ignorant. It’s just amusing how much basic textbook medical science gets discounted with so many of those replies of yours.

            That’s like me in the field of IT security, having the admins tell me everything is secure because they ran an Anti-Virus scan. I can tell you how many times a positive (detectable) virus scan result from the top vendors was ever a culprit. On Grandpa and Grandma’s machine? Maybe. On the sister in law’s facebook machine? Absolutely. In the real world, where it takes more than 20 minutes of investigation? Next to never. If we weren’t there to crawl through the traffic, it wouldn’t exist either. How much easier it’d be if I could just not look. Spout off “did you try rebooting it? Run a malware scan. Format the drive.” Tell the admins to keep pushing the buttons and calling it good. I’d be able to “secure” 50 times as many clients with that approach. Best Buy made a side business on that approach.

            I’m not anti medicine. I’m anti having to crawl through a maze of 13 doctors like some do, before finding one who tries to get to your medical condition when it reaches what they call “late stage” status on an issue the medical text says only does well “if caught soon, so see a doctor”. These are people that see a fkn doctor, not “hmm.. let me go on that oil pulling site and see if they have an alternative deodorant that will save my ass instead”. That is the audience you’re talking to, and there aren’t many of them here.

          • Mudguts says:

            yes.. I grew out of the need for social hypochondria and its need for vehemence when I met my first social hypochondriac on line in 95. I can See the ranks have swollen.

            Dont worry boys and girls… Win 95 getting you all online has been a boon. The lists were a tad boring unless you wanted to buy a bike or camera

          • mudguts says:

            full moon not so far away

          • Cathy says:

            I give you credit, mudguts. Though you may try to belittle other’s opinions you don’t agree with, at least you have the guts to allow opposing views to comment -and you don’t shut them down.

            Kudos to you for that.

          • tinkerbell says:

            your comments would make sense if probiotics were proven to help, which they are not and if probiotics from pills were proven to be better than probiotics found in yoghurt, which they are not. So the only thing you could have done to prevent your c. diff. would be not to have treated your cat bite.

          • Cathy says:

            To: “Tinkerbell” -You think you spout your VERY untrue and apparently uneducated comments and that “makes it so”.

            Sorry, no it does not.

            Besides the fact that the probiotics in yogurt have been proven to be pretty much useless, I know what helped me. And it wasn’t MORE antibiotics, which is what Dr’s say is the only thing that will get rid of c-diff.

            But to me that made no sense to try to take MORE antibiotics when THAT is what what had just totally destroyed all the gut flora in the first place. Which then caused an unnatural balance where the c-diff takes over, causing BAD problems.

            From WebMD: “Antibiotics tend to destroy the normal, helpful bacteria along with the bacteria causing the infection. Without enough healthy bacteria to keep it in check, C. diff can quickly grow out of control.”

            So I took mega-doses of probiotics along with herbs that had antibacterial properties and infection fighting properties. I had to look these up and research them online. I was deathly sick. It took a long, long time to recover, and I am still not 100%.

            Look up the stats about c-diff. How they just give more antibiotics when it comes back -and how many times it DOES comes back. -How the antibiotics for the C-DIFF are actually becoming useless as the c-diff becomes resistant to them. How this is becoming an epidemic -and is getting worse. The numbers are going UP. Drastically.

            If probiotics help, then they should be implementing them. They are NOT.

            I don’t know what is so hard to understand about what I just said. All I can think of is that you refuse to accept or believe it, so “that makes it so”, in your opinion.

            But please look into it more and if you have an open mind you may learn something.

            If you refuse to believe facts, then all I can say is you must be in the healthcare industry or know someone who is and therefore have take offense at what I said, because, of COURSE … I MUST be wrong. I cant KNOW more than a DR! (sarcasm intended)

            Maybe you are a DR or nurse? Maybe you took it personally, I don’t know …

            Also, I don’t know what you mean about “if probiotics were proven to help, which they are not”.

            Who, exactly says they do not? You?

            Again, look it up -and you will find that they ARE proven to help recolonize gut flora. And no, the negligible amount in yogurt does not help very much, ESPECIALLY in cases where people have gut compromised issues, like IBD, IBS, Ulcerative Colitis, Crohn’s, etc. -and c-diff!

            I am just telling you the facts. You can choose to believe them or not. Instead of totally dismissing what I am saying, why don’t you try to become better informed and research this online. … Unless your are so closed minded you cannot.

            In that case, good day.

  62. Cathy says:

    to: mudguts -I assume your comment was meant for me. But I assure you, sir, I do not sit here all day, everyday, waiting for someone to comment on my post! Lol!

    I usually DO reply when someone posts a reply to ME. That is only courteous. I also do rebuttal as, in any good debate, there is both sides given. And when someone states a fact I posted as NOT a fact, I seek to educate them. Again, if it doesn’t get through after a try or too, I end the discussion.

    That is how I post on all forums etc.

    As to your mocking my experience with c-diff, well, all I can say is unless you have experienced it firsthand yourself, or had a loved one experience it … then you really have no idea about it.

    Thank you and have a nice day! 🙂

    • tinkerbell says:

      Cathy, I did do my research. I typed in “prescription probiotics” into google before I replied. The 3rd item that came up was an article titled “Why do Doctors keep recommending probiotics when they have not been proven to work.” I also asked my husband who has been treating infections of the bone and soft tissue (including many cat bites) for the last 25 years and he told me that recommending probiotics is not standard protocol for treating infections in his specialty. Please don’t tell him he needs to do his research (or that he’s making stuff up) because he does his research all the time. He goes to lectures, read journals talks to docs outside his specialty because he wants to treat his patients the best that he can.

      Also, researchers know that treating c. diff with more antibiotics is not a good solution, that is why they are developing the fecal transplant as a treatment.

  63. Catherine says:

    Could it be that oil pulling works for some people and not others due to differences in chemical makeup? Or perhaps the amount of skepticism/optimism while doing it? I don’t know, but I’m definitely seeing positive results. I’m just saying.

    • Noah Dillon says:

      No. It has nothing to do with optimism vs. doubt. You can doubt that gravity will work, but that’s irrelevant. You can doubt that morphine will work, but that’s irrelevant. It also has nothing to do with chemical makeup. Peoples mouths are pretty uniform and there’s no clear definition of what chemical would make a difference.

      Oil pulling works, but very poorly. If you are looking for good feelings from it, you’re more likely to perceive good feelings from it. That doesn’t mean it’s especially effective, it means you’re experiencing a mild form of confirmation bias.

      • Cathy says:


        Wow, Noah. You are SO smart. You know EVERYTHING!

        You know every answer to every question! And you are 100% accurate, 100% of the time!

        And you can never be WRONG !!!!

        Hey, you are almost god!

        It must be nice to know that YOU know absolutely everything about everything! … It must feel really GOOD!

        …………… (sarcasm intended)

  64. Dang! I love sparkling water and wanted to believe that I was being healthy by skipping the pop! I guess I will just console myself by knowing it is the lesser of many evils. Thanks for the info though, good to know

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