The Pentagon and the Missile

Some say that it wasn't an airliner that struck the Pentagon on 9/11, but a missile.

by Brian Dunning

Filed under Conspiracies, History & Pseudohistory

Skeptoid #354
March 19, 2013
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Pentagon Crash
Flight 77 debris at the Pentagon
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Today we're going to delve once again into the depths of conspiracy theories. We'll take yet another look at the events of the September 11 attacks, this time focusing on the Pentagon, the headquarters of the U.S. Department of Defense in Arlington, Virginia. According to the generally accepted account of what was witnessed and recorded on September 11, 2001, the Pentagon was struck by American Airlines Flight 77, a hijacked Boeing 757 on its way from Dulles to Los Angeles. 59 people on board the airplane plus 125 workers inside the Pentagon were killed, plus the 5 hijackers. And as pop culture would inevitably have it, alternate claims have arisen: mainly that the Pentagon was not hit by a hijacked plane at all, but by an American cruise missile fired as a false flag operation. Years later, is there sufficient reason to doubt the official story?

First of all, the phrase "official story" has become problematic. All it really refers to is the generally accepted explanation or definition. For example, the "official story" is that the human body has 206 bones. The "official story" is that an atom of radon contains 86 protons. The "official story" is that Hiroshima was destroyed by the Little Boy atomic bomb in 1945. Just by referring to any observation or result as the "official story", it makes it seem to be shrouded in doubt or tainted by political corruption. Thus, virtually all web sites promoting an alternative version of the September 11 attacks will start by dismissing all observations and evidence as the "official story". In this sense, "official story" is what we call a weasel word; terminology intended to communicate something other than what the words actually mean. In the strict sense, the official story is the one that's most authoritative and best supported; but in common usage, it's only employed when the intent is to cast doubt.

And casting doubt seems to be the strongest reason to believe that it was a missile and not an airliner. There are mountains of evidence confirming what so many people witnessed on that day, evidence that's all rock solid and that has no real flaws. This is the case with a lot of conspiracy theories, yet it never detracts from the popularity of the conspiracy theory. It's not possible in one show to cover all the many objections raised to the official story, but we will look at a handful that are representative of the whole. With the exception of a couple claims that are simply factually wrong, each specific objection is based simply on the possibility that some observation might be consistent with an alternate version of events. Unfortunately, "consistent with" is not "evidence of".

Let's look at the most popular such example:

Myth #1: The security video shows a missile hitting the building.

Of the 85 video tapes seized by the FBI that may have shown the plane strike the building, only one actually shows the impact of an object with the building. This is a Pentagon security camera pointed at a traffic gate along an access driveway. In the background is a white streak, visible in only a single frame, which is far too small and of low quality to make out any useful details. Missile theorists believe the depicted object is too small to be a 757, and is more consistent with a cruise missile.

So far as the object in the video appearing to be too small for a 757, that's correct, it is. But this is to be expected, since the lens of the security camera is ultra wide angle. The camera was intended to see as much of the vehicle driveway where it was positioned as possible, side to side. Thus it did not produce a rectilinear image with straight lines; the lines on the Pentagon building are clearly curved in the video. Yet, missile theorists have superimposed straight lines of perspective onto this image, in an effort to show that the height of the incoming object was too small for a 757. Because of the lens used, the plane does in fact appear far smaller than it would with a normal lens, consistent with what we'd expect of an ultra wide angle lens and a full-sized airliner.

Myth #2: Donald Rumsfeld's office was on the opposite end of the building.

The implication being that Rumsfeld, presumed architect of the false flag attack, was carefully protected by having the plane hit a far-away part of the building.

This is a perfect example of "consistent with" not being "evidence of". Sure, if Rumsfeld had masterminded the attack, he might well choose to preserve his own office. But by this same logic, you could point to anyone anywhere in the world whose office was not in the immediate vicinity of the crash site. This factoid is so irrelevant that I didn't even bother to look up where in the Pentagon Rumsfeld's office was. Whether it's true or not, it's useless information.

Now for an example of a claim that's just simply wrong:

Myth #3: There was no debris from an airplane at the site.

Thus there was no plane, thus it must have been a missile (even though that in itself is fallacious logic). Even after so many years have gone by, I still hear this assertion being made, in blatant defiance of virtually every photograph taken that day. Debris from the plane was everywhere, including easily identified mechanical parts from the landing gear and engines and lots of twisted aluminum painted in Boeing BAC452 Green Epoxy Primer. It's trivial to do a Google image search for "flight 77 debris" to see exactly what was reported by dozens of Pentagon employees, rescue personnel, and reporters, and observed live worldwide by millions of television viewers.

It's also easy to read the transcript from air traffic controllers who communicated with the plane, and to see the graphs from the flight data recorder, including the plane's altitude as it plummeted toward the Pentagon. Both are among the information available from the National Transportation and Safety Board. But I should be clear that pointing out such evidence, especially in the case of official documents, is not persuasive to a conspiracy theorist. In their theory, evidence consistent with the "official story" is simply part of the conspiracy, and is therefore unreliable and should be dismissed.

Myth #4: The approach path was impossible for a 757.

When the hijackers brought the plane to the Pentagon, they were still too high, so they flew in a circle to drop the altitude. A Dulles air traffic controller, Danielle O'Brien, said "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe." Conspiracy theorists often cite this comment as evidence that the controllers knew it was not a 757.

But this interpretation is only possible if you ignore the rest of what she said. O'Brien has been very clear that there's no question it was the 757, and that unsafe doesn't mean impossible. "It was never the intent of the hijacker to safely land American flight 77 anywhere," she said, and also correctly pointed out that unlike an airliner, a missile does not need to circle to lose altitude.

Myth #5: The Pentagon's missile defenses would have shot down an actual encroaching aircraft.

As the headquarters of the Department of Defense, you'd expect the Pentagon to be one of the best defended buildings in the world. But apparently, this alleged missile defense system is nonexistent. It was proposed by French conspiracy theory journalist Thierry Meyssan in his book 9/11: The Big Lie. If such a defense system existed but was not used, not a single Pentagon employee complained about it. Even the friends of the 125 employees killed raised no objection.

In practice, it would be very difficult for the Pentagon to have such a system. The Pentagon's location was fixed in 1941, just weeks after the completion of what's now Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport. Planes landing at the airport fly right over the Pentagon all day long, at a very low altitude. The ends of runways 33 and 15 are just 1 kilometer from the Pentagon, in a direct line. Planners of such a theoretical missile defense system would have known that they'd have essentially no time to discriminate between normal traffic and hostile traffic and to make a kill/no-kill decision. Thus, it's not surprising that none of the hundreds of thousands of photographs and videos of the Pentagon show a missile defense system, nor do the blueprints nor construction photographs, nor has anyone who has ever worked there reported knowledge of such a thing.

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That's a really quick overview of only five of the many arguments made by the missile theorists. Apologies to those who were looking for a more in-depth analysis of all the many facets to this conspiracy theory, but there really is not sufficient evidence of a conspiracy to warrant much time or investigation. It's intellectually lazy to simply hunt for anomalies that might been seen as consistent with proving the "official story" wrong. That's the opposite of a responsible search for information and knowledge. If you want to know what happened on September 11, look at the evidence. Certainly you do want to pursue alternative explanations for the evidence, but you also want to make sure you're not changing the evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.

I want to encourage everyone to approach with great caution any alternative belief system that is founded primarily upon the assumption that accepted theory is wrong. In such a system, any alternative theory is acceptable, so long as it denies accepted theory. A familiar example of this is creationism. There are many different mutually irreconcilable versions of both Old Earth and Young Earth creationism: gap creationism, theistic evolution, day-age creationism, Omphalism, and so on. No two of them can be true, as they all represent radically different versions of history. But despite these profound differences, they're all allied with one another under the single banner of "Evolution is wrong". Competing theories are generally welcomed, so long as they embrace the assumption that accepted theory is wrong.

This is equally true of 9/11 conspiracy theories. Consider the number of theories that have been put forth to explain the collapse of the World Trade Center: Everything from holographic airliners, to controlled demolition, to robotic airplanes rigged with explosives, you name it; any theory is viable so long as it starts with the assumption that American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 did not actually crash into the twin towers.

So keep a sharp eye on the motivations for your beliefs and theories. If you want to find out what's known, look to see what the evidence supports. But if you find instead that you're looking for only that which supports a specific belief or claim, be aware that you're doing things backwards. Hold the "official story" to a high standard, but don't simply be hostile to our existing knowledge base.

Brian Dunning

© 2013 Skeptoid Media, Inc. Copyright information

References & Further Reading

Dunbar, D., Reagan, B. Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts. New York: Hearst Books, 2011.

Meyssan, T. 9/11: The Big Lie. London: Carnot Publishers, 2002.

Mikkelson, B. "Hunt the Boeing." Urban Legends Reference Pages., 8 Apr. 2008. Web. 18 Mar. 2013. <>

NTSB. "Items Released Under FOIA." FOIA Electronic Reading Room. National Transportation Safety Board, 9 Aug. 2010. Web. 16 Mar. 2013. <>

Roberts, S. "Photos of Flight 77 Wreckage Inside the Pentagon." Jeff Rense, 4 Dec. 2002. Web. 16 Mar. 2013. <>

Williams, M. "American Airlines Flight 77." 911 Myths., 5 Nov. 2007. Web. 14 Mar. 2013. <>

Yoon, J., Scott, J. "Pentagon & Boeing 757 Engine Investigation." Aerospaceweb., 12 Mar. 2006. Web. 16 Mar. 2013. <>

Reference this article:
Dunning, B. "The Pentagon and the Missile." Skeptoid Podcast. Skeptoid Media, Inc., 19 Mar 2013. Web. 29 Jun 2015. <>


10 most recent comments | Show all 804 comments

@ Hybrid Dude: (I hope this topic is still active and people answer?)

"To her horror, she saw the plane (and it WAS a jet) flying nearly at rooftop level, at a terrific speed, toward the Pentagon."

But she can not say for sure it was the alleged 757 plane ? Did she identify it before or after the conspiracies came out ? It may be that some people get influenced by media or internet someone sees a strange moving object in the air and 2 days later all the media reports it is an UFO flown by aliens ?

"I know of many drivers who were driving on route 110 adjacent to the Pentagon who also witnessed the jet, "

Sorry I doubt that people driving can watch exactly this plane... 1. it was too fast if conspiracy of government is true 2. Can they possibly identify the plane which they maybe saw for 2 or 3 seconds?

", it was missile, etc."

How do you know it was a missile ?

" Flying at top speed at low altitude, and hitting a building."

How do you know the exact speed and altitude of the plane? In the 90ties our area there was still quite a lot of military traffic. Even if I know the plane types I could not identify them if they are fast. I know how all western planes look by heart, but I could often not identify the type. Much less from which airforce they were (we had German,US, British military planes here)

Pls. provide sources because I want to lay to rest these 9/11 conspiracies asap.

F, Westfalen
April 1, 2015 6:37am

I will also propose my theory....

Missile and airliner.-... ? No proof and facts confront this.

However a millitary jet that can fly at vlow altitudes could explain most of the observations and can do some work yourself and find out which types in the 90ties and 00´s are able to fly that low and in controlled flight and also pilots especially trained for this task. However it is doubtful that a millitary pilot would do a Kamikaze attack (apart from he his mentally ill or mind controlled), but you can also steer planes without pilots (remote control or drones eg)

F, Westfalen
April 1, 2015 6:57am

"1. How do you know that that Hanjour guy was really at the helm of this plane ? "

I don't. And nobody else does either, outside of the US govt. In the hundreds of posts I've sent in on this thread, one of the main points I've asserted is that nobody has any proof that Hanjour was even on the plane (whatever it was) that hit the Pentagon.

None of the alleged terrorists were ever identified both in Fl77 or any of the other flights, and most of the key aspects of the Official Story of Flight 77 of the 9-11 attacks have been proven bogus by US govt agency files that I provided to Skeptoid one year ago, and which nobody has ever addressed.

All we "know" about Flight 77 is what the US govt has told us through the corporate-owned mainstream media, drummed into our craniums over months after the attacks, and "confirmed" by a shonky 911 Commission which was censored by the White House before release, and which the Commission's own Chairman and vice-Chair criticized.

Without getting into any conspiracy theories, there is now so much evidence against the Official Story of Flight 77 (and the other flights), that anyone who continues to support the Official Story is merely clinging to the belief that the US govt has told the truth.

Given the evidence of other professionals (ACARS records, ATP experience etc) plus the agency file evidence that I've brought to Skeptoid, I believe the US govt has lied about Fl77, and probably the other flights as well.

Macky, Auckland
April 1, 2015 11:49am

It is over one year since I posted a list of citations that clearly contradict the Official Story of Flight 77 of the 9-11 attacks.
Most of these are files from the FBI, and prove that the alleged hijackers were never identified, that the alleged Olson phone calls never took place, and that the alleged pilot, Hani Hanjour was utterly incompetent to have flown Fl77.
I include a file which clearly shows that Osama Bin Laden, the subject of Bush's rants on TV shortly after the attacks, was never indicted for 9-11.

The death and destruction of those attacks are indisputable. It was a terrible day for America, and the world. But there is no evidence for who the alleged perpetrators were, and much US govt agency evidence against the names of the alleged terrorists cited in the 911 Commission Report, which reflected the Official Story promoted through the media.
There has not been a single post that has commented on those citations. They have been ignored by supposedly rational-thinking "skeptics" who have also ignored the fact that the evidence that I presented is from the very agency that was tasked with the 9-11 investigations, NOT some outlandish conspiracy theory site.
The supporters of the Official Story also seem to be oblivious to the fact that the 9-11 Official Story is entirely reliant on the US govt, a proven untrustworthy (collective) entity, as numerous proven worldwide and homeland abuses have demonstrated.

Macky, Auckland
April 1, 2015 12:00pm

It has been most interesting to note the various responses of the pro-Official Story supporters during the time that I've been posting on this thread, including Skeptoid. They have ranged from quite reasonable assertions (albeit only repeats of the US govt story as proof of itself) to consignments to hell, and repeated accusations of conspiracy "nut", where there has been no conspiracy theory asserted whatsoever.

I have always maintained that Man is not ultimately driven by Logic and Rational Thought. He is driven at the deepest level by Belief and Hope, and this thread demonstrates the truth of that assertion, that the very evidence which is (rightly) demanded by those that regard themselves as skeptics is competely ignored and replaced by the simple Belief that the US govt has told the truth about 9-11, and the Hope (demonstrated by abusive posts by more than one Official Story supporter) that those who question the US govt version of 9-11 will go away.

I do not believe the US govt has told the whole truth, whatever that truth may be, and its own govt agency files support my belief.

Much of the Official Story of Fl77 is nothing but a conspiracy theory in itself, and on this particular subject it is my considered opinion that Skeptoid has not lived up to its mandate of critical analysis of pop phenomena, and remains along with its 9-11 Official Story supporters deeply entrenched in nothing but a belief in the truth of yet another piece of American pseudo-history.

Macky, Auckland
April 1, 2015 12:08pm

Cool Macky, you acknowledge me being sceptic of the 19 highjacker story and you admit, you don´t have any evidence to their identity other than media reports. Right. So we´re in the same boat. As this site about scepticism which I highly encourage especially about what governments and media tells us these days. So the author of this article did a good job on disproving the missile theory as so much I agree that the missile thing is too far fetched - a missile can not do the required observed manouvres as well there are enough witnesses that there indeed was a plane. Only remaining question is, what kind of plane it was and who was in it (if it wasn´t remote controlled)...

Please note that not even the FBI is sure about the 19 hijackers:

"FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt. "

Source is BBC which also tells us, that some of the alleged "hijackers" were still alive:

"A man called Waleed Al Shehri says he left the US a year ago

Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt. "

F, Westfalen
April 1, 2015 2:45pm

More: Someone noted that the Bin Laden wasn´t accused of the 9/11 attacks on teh FBI site (he was there as a wanted terrorist, but for "older" crimes, 9/11 wasn´t mentioned).

So it seems this sceptical person who noted this wrote to the FBI and asked them about it, FBI answered: "We have no hard evidence that connects BL with the 9/11 attacks" Full stop.

In a nutshell the 19 arabs are not proven by anyone and even doubted by the FBI. Same for Bin Laden. Guess the FBI was to this time still a good and honest agency. Which is in contrast to the CIA or NSA.

But maybe this site should make an article about the FBI too, as they seem to engage in conspiracy theories... :P Which maybe true to the JFK murder cover up, but it seems FBI recovered from this and tells more truths about 9/11.

F, Westfalen
April 1, 2015 2:55pm

Here is another research topic, WHO came up with the names of the 19 arabs, and when ? Let´s say they did research and after some weeks of hard detective work they found out the 19 names? However this work seemed to be at least partly false, as the FBI proves as well the still living suspects.

AFAIK however the names were given as a matter of fact and without doubt. In this case the person(s) or agency(s) who came up with these names must be suspected of cover-up and/or make false claims. Any info who made 19 hijackers claim ?

Also who followed up the FBI and BBC claims that at least 4 of the names are in doubt as well BinL seems not connected to 9/11 ? I never heard of investigations of this fact...

F, Westfalen
April 1, 2015 3:05pm

In the early hours after 9-11 the FBI alleged to have found a list of the "terrorists' names, firstly in a car outside in a carpark, then mysteriously changing to being found in Atta's luggage that somehow didn't make it onboard Flight 11.

That list itself changed after a day or so on at least four names, and the name Hani Hanjour appeared, replacing a Mosear Caned?
How the list (the "Rosetta Stone" as one FBI agent described it) managed to not only jump from a car parked outside into Atta's luggage, then alter itself to include four names which stuck for the rest of time it seems, is beyond my comprehension.

The passengers lists of any crashed aircraft are among very first things that are requested from an airline, both for insurance purposes and the notification of the relatives.
Therefore any passenger list now presented with any of those four late names MUST be altered.

How much those passenger lists have been altered is unknown. Certain it is that BTS lists Fl77 as never having departed that day from Dulles.

So from the very start, to the "identifying" of the passengers and crew (but NOT the alleged terrorists) by DNA, away from the crash site, there is no proof of Fl77 ever taking place at all, except what the US govt and its agencies are telling us. The FBI file that proves that Bin Laden was never indicted for 9-11. It is current, as the DECEASED placard under his photo shows,

No indictment because of no proof.

Macky, Auckland
April 1, 2015 6:30pm

F, Westfalen
April 1, 2015 2:45pm

"Please note that not even the FBI is sure about the 19 hijackers:"

Correct. At least 7 of the alleged hijackers shown to be BELIEVED to be the 19 terrorists are reputed to still be alive. Some of them have been interviewed.
In addition, four of the BELIEVED terrorists shown were not at first named on the alleged list allegedly found in Atta's luggage.

They replaced
Mosear Caned (who Hanjour later replaced)
Amer Kamfar
Adnan Bukhari
Ameer Bukhari

One of the Bukhari's was found alive The other had died one year (to the day previous in a collision between his plane and another because of an ATC error.

Has any Official Story supporter any idea how those names turned up on a list in Atta's luggage, then managed to change over the next few days ?

Anybody ?

2nd par. "It should be noted that attempts to confirm the true identities of these individuals are still under way."

The file has never been updated, because there is nothing to update it with.
The photos were released to the ranting media who seized on the 19 as being confirmed, which was endorsed in the 9-11 Comm. report.

It was "identification" by implication, nothing less.

Those that believe in the US govt version of 9-11 are victims of a successful brainwashing.

Macky, Auckland
April 3, 2015 6:21pm

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