The Mystery of Pumapunku
Were the stone structures at Pumapunku truly so advanced that the ancient Tiwanakans could not have made them unassisted?
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By Brian Dunning, Skeptoid Podcast
Episode 202, April 20, 2010
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4202
Today we're going to climb high into the Andes and take a look at an ancient structure that has been cloaked with as much pop-culture mystery as just about any other on Earth: Pumapunku, a stone structure that's part of the larger Tiwanaku. Pumapunku, which translates to the Doorway of the Puma, is best known for its massive stones and for the extraordinary precision of their cutting and placement. It's one of those places where you've heard, probably many times, that the stones are so closely fitted that a knife blade cannot be inserted between them. Due to these features, Pumapunku is often cited as evidence that Earth was visited by aliens, Atlanteans, or some other mythical people who are presumably better at stonemasonry than humans.
Tiwanaku is in Bolivia, up in the Titicaca Basin, about 10 kilometers away from the great Lake Titicaca. The Titicaca Basin is high; 3,800 meters (12,500 feet) above sea level. Half is in Peru and half is in Bolivia, and right on the border sits Lake Titicaca. It's in a vast region of the Andes Mountains called the Altiplano, or "high plain", the largest such plain outside of the Himalayas. The Tiwanaku Culture predated the Inca, and their history is known largely from archaeology, since they had no written language that we know of. The earliest evidence of habitation dates from around 400 BC, but it wasn't until about 500 AD that the Tiwanaku Culture truly developed. At its peak, 400,000 people lived in and around the Tiwanaku site, centering around Pumapunku and other important structures. Trade and farming flourished. Farming was done on raised fields with irrigation systems in between them. Decades of drought struck around 1000 AD, and the city of Tiwanaku was abandoned, and its people and culture dissolved into the surrounding mountains. Five centuries later, the Inca Culture developed.
So within the context of Tiwanaku, Pumapunku does not leap out as extraordinary. However it does differ from the other structures at Tiwanaku, in that many of the blocks are shaped into highly complex geometries. There is a row of H-shaped blocks, for example, that have approximately 80 faces on them; and all match each other with great precision. Pumapunku's stones suggest prefabrication, which is not found at the other Tiwanaku sites. In addition, some of the stones were held together with copper fasteners, some of which were cold hammered into shape, and others that were poured into place molten.
Due to the complexity and regularity of many of Pumapunku's stone forms, a number of authors have suggested that they're not stones at all, but rather concrete that was cast into forms. We don't have any record that such technology was known to pre-Incan cultures, but that doesn't prove it wasn't. What can be proven, and proven quite easily, is that there is no concrete at Pumapunku or anywhere else in Tiwanaku. Contrary to the suppositions of paranormalists, modern geologists are, in fact, quite able to discern rock from concrete. Petrographic and chemical analyses are relatively trivial to carry out, and even allowed us to determine exactly where the rocks were quarried. Pumapunku's large blocks are a common red sandstone that was quarried about 10 kilometers away. Many of the smaller stones, including the most ornamental and some of the facing stones, are of igneous andesite and came from a quarry on the shore of Lake Titicaca, about 90 kilometers away. These smaller stones may have been brought across the lake by reed boat, then dragged overland the remaining 10 kilometers.
Much is often made of the vast size and weight of the Pumapunku stones, with paranormal web sites routinely listing them as up to 440 tons. Pumapunku does indeed contain the largest single stone found at any of the Tiwanaku sites, and it's part of its Plataforma Lítica, or stone platform. The accepted estimate of this piece of red sandstone's weight is 131 metric tons, equal to 144 US tons. The second largest block is only 85 metric tons, and the rest go down sharply from there. The vast majority of the building material at Pumapunku consists of relatively small and easily handled stones, although many of the most famous are megalithic. The absurd numbers like 440 tons come from much earlier estimates, and have long since been corrected.
We do not claim to know how the heavy lifting and exquisite masonry was accomplished at Pumapunku, but that's a far cry from saying we believe the Tiwanaku were incapable of it. We simply don't have a record of what tools and techniques they used. All around the world are examples of stonemasonry from the period that is equally impressive. The Greek Parthenon, for example, was built a thousand years before Pumapunku, and yet nobody invokes aliens as the only explanation for its great beauty and decorative detailing that more than rivals Pumapunku's angles and cuts. At about the same time, the Persians constructed Persepolis with its superlative Palace of Darius, featuring details that are highly comparable to Pumapunku. Stonemasons in India cut the Udayagiri Caves with megalithic doorways that are very similar to those in Pumapunku. The Tiwanaku did magnificent work, but by no means was it inexplicably superior to what can be found throughout the ancient world. It is unnecessary to invoke aliens to explain the structures.
Curiously, if you do an Internet search for Pumapunku, you'll find it almost universally, and quite casually, referred to as a "port". At least, this is what it's called on the paranormal web pages, which make up the overwhelming bulk of Pumapunku information on the Internet. In fact, it's not a port, and it never was a port. To anyone doing even the most basic research or visiting the area, it's a fairly bizarre assertion, considering that Pumapunku was in the middle of a vast farming nation of 400,000 people. Nor are Tiwanaku's structures in locations where they could serve as a port. Pumapunku is just one of several stepped platform constructions that have been excavated at Tiwanaku. The others include Akapana, Akapana East, Kalasasaya, Putuni, and the Semi-Subterranean Temple. If you look at them from above, they're simply squarish enclosures scattered about the area. If you imagine water filling the region — let's pretend just high enough to cover the ground but not the enclosures themselves — then each of these "ports" would be an island unto itself, amid a sea of knee-deep water too shallow to be navigable. (That is, except for the Semi-Subterranean Temple, which being recessed into the ground, would have been underwater.)
But even that imaginary scenario presumes that the lake could ever reach Tiwanaku. It can't. The Altiplano is a vast sloping plain, and the point at which Lake Titicaca spills off the edge into its sole outlet, the Río Desaguadero, is about 30 meters below the elevation of Tiwanaku. Has this always been the case? At least since the last ice age, yes. Because the sediment at the lake's bottom has been accumulating for some 25,000 years, it's one of the best places to get data about Earth's climate history, and so it's been extensively studied. The paleohydrology of Lake Titicaca is thoroughly known. Currently, the water is at its overflow level. This level has fluctuated about 5 meters in the past century. During the past 4,000 years, it has dropped as much as 20 meters during drought periods. The maximum it's ever been is about 7 meters above overflow level, which would still locate the shore many kilometers away from Tiwanaku's suburbs and farms.
Most of these same paranormal sources that refer to Pumapunku as a port also state that the ancient shoreline is still visible along the surrounding hills, albeit tilted at a strange angle. Ancient lake levels are often visible in such a way — they're quite prominent throughout Death Valley where I often visit, for example. But it makes no sense for Lake Titicaca. The lake would spill off the edge of the plain before it could get as high as Tiwanaku; and there's certainly been no tectonic activity in that time that could have tilted the hills, or mysteriously tilted the hills yet left the Tiwanaku structures level.
Finally, one other feature at Pumapunku is said to have the archaeologists baffled: Carved figures, said to represent an elephant relative called a Cuvieronius, and a hoofed mammal called a toxodon. These both went extinct in the region around 15,000 years ago, and so some paranormalists have dated Pumapunku to 15,000 years, apparently based on this alone. When you hear that an elephant is carved there, it certainly does give you pause, because an elephant is hard to mistake. However, when you look at a picture of what's claimed to be the elephant, this becomes less surprising. Tiwanaku art was highly stylized, much like what we're accustomed to seeing from the Mayans or the Aztecs. It's actually the heads of two crested Andean Condors facing each other neck to neck, and their necks and crests constitute what some have compared to the tusks and ears of an elephant's face. The image of the toxodon is known only from rough sketches of a sculpture discovered in 1934, and so it's a drawing of indirect evidence of an artist's interpretation of an unknown subject. It looks to me like a generic quadruped. Pig, dog, rat, toxodon, name it.
So once again, we have an accomplishment by ancient craftsmen whom some paranormalists have attempted to discredit by attributing their work to aliens. This is not only irrational, it's a non-sequitur conclusion to draw from the observations. Most people don't know how to intricately cut stones because those are skills we haven't needed for a long time — we've had easier ways to make better structures for a long time. But this argument from ignorance — that just because we don't know how to do it, nobody else could have figured it out either — is an insufficient explanation. Simply say that you don't know, instead of invoking aliens. This is not only the truth, it accurately represents the findings of science so far; and perhaps most importantly, it leaves the credit for this wonderful contribution to humanity where it belongs: with the Tiwanaku themselves.
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References & Further Reading
Abbot., M., Binford., M., Brenner, M., Kelts, K. "A 3500 14C yr High-Resolution Record of Water-Level Changes in Lake Titicaca, Bolivia/Peru." Quaternary Research. 1 Jan. 1997, Volume 47: 169-180.
Baker, P., et. al. "The History of South American Tropical Precipitation for the Past 25,000 Years." Science. 26 Jan. 2001, Volume 291.
Janusek, J. Identity and Power in the Ancient Andes: Tiwanaku Cities Through Time. New York: Routledge, 2004. 133-137.
Ponce Sanginés, C., Terrazas, G. "Acerca De La Procedencia Del Material Lítico De Los Monumentos De Tiwanaku." Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia. 1 Jan. 1970, Number 21.
Pratt, D. "Lost Civilizations of the Andes." Exploring Theosophy: The Synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy. David Pratt, 1 Jan. 2010. Web. 12 Apr. 2010. <http://davidpratt.info/andes2.htm>
Young-Sánchez, M. Tiwanaku: Ancestors of the Inca. Denver: Denver Art Museum, 2004. 32-34.
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Discuss!
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very true m. stuart, I for one think tiwanaku is much older than the author believes. The altitude alone makes the location very counter-intuitive, let alone dragging stones weighing up to 140 tons 10km.
These articles all seem very condescending. I don't believe aliens were responsible for tiwanaku. However, it isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility. There are so many archaelogical enigmas littered throughout the world, sometimes you have to wonder. That we can credit ancient civilizations with having more sophisticated stone working techniques than we do. Yet we still characterize all of their oral history as mere myth or magical thinking.
This is an extremely cynical website.
matt, madison
February 28, 2013 4:39am
I'm an architecture student at Texas A&M Univ. My interest in the site has to do with the modularity of the pieces. Has a survey/catalog been compiled of the blocks? Which universities or independents are doing the most research on the site? It's interesting to me that I'm so hard pressed to find factual data concerning Puma Punku and the people who built it. Though entertaining at times it seems the AA thought wave has co-opted the argument. I had to get 3 pages deep in google before I found this ray of hope. Thanks Brian for the reference list, it's the type of info I've been looking for. And thanks to the previous commentary it's refreshing.
R C Smith, College Station, TX
March 11, 2013 1:33pm
I view this article as a bit of a hit piece. It seems that every "skeptic" article seems to start with a "calm down, people..." and then launches into explanations that purport explain how the existing archaeological dogma prevails. Take this article's point that the Persepolis in modern day Iran is "similar" to Puma Punku. Really? A quick Wikipedia search finds that the Persepolis was constructed of LIMESTONE and not andesite, which is what most of the stones at Puma Punku were hewn from. THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF A GLARING AND INTENTIONAL OMISSION which really gets down to the disingenuousness of this article. Limestone is not igneous; it is a sedimentary rock, and no purported expert would ever get this confused. Stonemasons MUST pick materials that match their skills and prevalent techniques. It should be noted that andesite has a Moh's hardness rating of SEVEN, whereas limestone has a hardness rating of three or four. In other words, limestone is MUCH easier to work with than andesite. This is why Puma Punku is such a mystery. If not aliens, fine, but HOW was it made? What pre-dates it? Where are its antecedents? What techniques available at that time could have been used? We are drawing blanks, and, in typical skeptic fashion, so are you--but you refuse to admit it.
But nevermind all this: the main issue with Puma Punku is its DESIGN. Was the Persepolis made with interlocking blocks? No. Where are the similar other sites for that?
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Monty Nicol, Calgary
March 11, 2013 5:17pm
How about the type of stone used. Is it not true it was constructed with extremely hard stone? I have seen people with extensive experience in cutting and moving stone at a loss to explain how it was done. Perhaps if the all the so-called experts didn't just dismiss anything they can't explain and look at all possible explanations, they would come together and find the answer. It seems they are too interested in protecting their reputations and book deals.
john, maineville Ohio
April 13, 2013 3:28pm
When you need help we have a God, when you can't explain something we have aliens. How in earth our pragmatic barbaric ancestors made a such a perfect masonry work even modern "civilized" successors can't get close.
I love watching AA but i don't necessarily agree with everything they said. Humans have 1 question Who are we or what are we and what is our purpose? God hmm where is peace? ...
Dugza, Hamburg, Deutchland
April 13, 2013 5:17pm
I agree with Monty Nicol. There are too many unanswered questions to even begin to underpin a modest theory. Why, How, When, Who, What happened then Etc
There is so much we don't know. But instead of admitting our ignorance and arrogance, we are all trying to out theorize each other. One thing they (whoever built it) Did do is know how to co-operate and be realistic. Th evidence of that is still haunting us to this day. PS if someone does find all the answers, please let me know.
Theus, Pretoria
April 14, 2013 10:34am
what i dont get is how different pumapunku is from all the sites in the surrounding area digs, 1 the stone type used compared to the surrounding site builds,2 scale of the stone/where it was moved from miles down hill,3 the perfect cuts compared to hand worked stones of the other sites in the area example Tiwanaku and pumapunku are not the same builders, Tiwanaku looks like its been hand worked with chisels pumapunku is far from that it shows prefab work written mathematically into the design of the stones how could a culture with no written language do such a feat not having known calculated figures or having a pre-made plan of the design? they couldnt of, ignorance is one thing stupidity is another.... tho i dont say AA is the answer id have to say our modern ways might not be the first time we used these skills that civilisation is more then likely way older then we give credit for and today was not our first modern rise and fall. ignorance and the bible leads us to believe that man hasnt been out of trees long enough to rise and fall more then once........ look the leap we ve taken in the last 100 years( If not for the darkages when religious belief held science back i bet we would be even farther ahead), imagine a civilisation with 50 years more with pride of workmanship and not caring how expensive the design 1 major world cataclysm could make our 100 years of modern rise easily fall and fade into the past just like pumapunkus has risen and faded lost to time.
mr T, LA
May 05, 2013 3:12am
Sorry,you wrong.You just see what is right for the benefit of your cause.You people don't wanna make waves that can shake the establishment.Bunch of liars that's all you are.
carlos, pembroke pines,USA.
May 13, 2013 1:49pm
Monty Nicol is my hero. The only reason people like von Daniken and Tsoukalos invoke aliens as the cause of Puma Punku is because THEY HAVE NO IDEA how humans, especially ancient humans, could have possibly built and constructed these stones. Modern day stonemasons have said that even with today's technology, it is extremely difficult to reconstruct Puma Punku. It is not only acceptable to include aliens into the conversation, it is probable. If someone can show me how Puma Punku could have been constructed by ancient peoples, fine. I'm all ears. Until then, the ancient alien theory is definitely a possibility.
Sam, USA
May 15, 2013 12:08pm
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Very interesting! When we ask: "How were these structures quarried, transported and erected by a people with NO written language?"---we usually get theories and suppositions. The question was and is not----"How do you think such work might have been accomplished?" The question is: "How was it accomplished?" To answer right away with theory and supposition is to say, essentially, we do not know! That is perfectly OK because, in truth, we do NOT know. Now---to make the immediate leap of ill-logic to aliens and such is quite a leap. It is quite clear that the remarkable precision cuts, etc. would probably transcend abilities of an illiterate populace. I simply do not believe the Tiwanaku capable of such architectural prowess. How, then do we account for the obvious fact that such remarkable work was accomplished? Bottom line---WE DO NOT KNOW. I find that absolutely remarkable.
M. Stuart, Columbia, MO
February 26, 2013 7:48am