The Baigong Pipes

Do modern metal pipes buried in ancient Chinese stone prove that aliens must have visited?

Filed under Aliens & UFOs, Ancient Mysteries

Skeptoid #181
November 24, 2009
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The Baigong Pipes
The southern shore of Lake Toson
(Photo credit: Google Earth)

Should you happen to visit Tibet anytime soon, be sure to stop by the city of Delingha. It's a town of most extraordinary beauty, nestled on the edge of the Qaidam Basin below a range of Himalayan hills. There you'll find the local residents proudly displaying their most famous distinction. For a few yuan you can probably get someone to take you to see it. Only a short journey outside of town is said to be a cave, and in this cave are a series of ancient metal pipes. These pipes predate all known history, and are embedded into the rock itself. They are said to lead through the very mountain, and connect to a nearby salt lake. The explanation? Ruins of a construction project 150,000 years ago, by alien visitors.

The Baigong Pipes are an example of what paranormal enthusiasts refer to as "out of place artifacts", modern objects discovered in ancient surroundings. The Baigong Pipes are described as a sophisticated system of metal pipes, buried in geology in such a way that precludes the possibility of having been installed in modern times. They are located on Mt. Baigong in the Qinghai province of China, about 40 kilometers southwest of Delingha. Most accounts describe a pyramid-shaped outcropping on the mountain, and the cave containing the pipes is on this pyramid. 80 meters from the mouth of this cave is a salt lake (the twin of an adjacent freshwater lake), and more pipes can be found poking up along the shore. Most of the information you can find online about the Baigong Pipes appears to be originally sourced from a 2002 article from the Xinhua News Agency, talking about preparations by a team of scientists about to embark to this remote area to study the pipes. "Nature is harsh here," said one. "There are no residents let alone modern industry in the area, only a few migrant herdsmen to the north of the mountain."

The two lakes are broad, shallow sinks at the low point of the vast Qaidam Basin. Searching for Mt. Baigong is likely to be fruitless: First, the area is largely flat and the nearest mountains are 20 or 30 kilometers away; second, baigong is a local word for hill and could mean anything in this context. The southernmost of the two lakes, Toson Hu or Lake Toson, has some low bluffs here and there along its southern and western sides (Google Maps link), and it is in one of these bluffs (about 50 or 60 meters in height) that author Bai Yu once happened to find what he described as a small cave, according to his book Into the Qaidam. [Update: The cave is on a point along Lake Toson's northeastern shore. Here is a better map link and a photo of the actual cave - BD]

Bai was traveling the area in 1996, and described a lifeless lake surrounded by cone-shaped hills. The cave appeared to have been artificially dug, and was triangular, about six meters deep. Nearby were two similar caves, but they had collapsed and could not be entered. But what struck Bai was the array of manufactured metal pipes protruding up through the floor of the cave and embedded within its walls, one 40 cm wide. Following their path outside, Bai discovered more pipes protruding from the surface of the conical hill, and even more of them 80 meters away from the cave along the shore of the lake. Excited, he removed a sample and sent it to the Ministry of Metallurgical Industry. The result was 92% common minerals and metals, and 8% of unknown composition.

Bai proceeded about 70 kilometers to the Delhi branch of China's Purple Mountain Observatory, a high vantage point from where he knew he could get a birds-eye view of the whole region. He saw great expanses of flat, open terrain, and putting two and two together, he concluded that this would make for a fine alien landing site. Unknown minerals and plentiful landing space meant that the Baigong Pipes had to be of alien origin.

Scientists from the China Seismological Bureau visited the lake in 2001 to examine the pipes. Samples brought back to the Beijing Institute of Geology were examined by thermoluminescence dating, a technique that can determine how long it's been since a crystalline mineral was either heated or exposed to sunlight. The result came back that if these were indeed iron pipes that had been smelted, they were made 140-150,000 years ago. Human history in the region only goes back some 30,000 years, and so the alien theory seemed to have been confirmed. The following year the Xinhua news story was published, and the Baigong Pipes entered pop culture as, supposedly, genuine, tangible evidence of alien visitation.

If you visit the area today, you'll find a locally-built monument to the aliens off the main highway, replete with a mockup metallic satellite dish. Internet forums buzz with the absence of followup articles by Xinhua; the natural conclusion is that it turned out the alien explanation was the true one and the Chinese government is suppressing any further reporting. Cracked.com touts the Baigong Pipes as one of Six Insane Discoveries that Science Can't Explain.

And although that's where most reporting of the Baigong Pipes stops, it's also where responsible inquiry should begin. When you settle on a paranormal explanation, it means you've decided there is no natural explanation. In fact, when you don't yet know the explanation, you don't yet know the explanation; so you can't reasonably decide that the time is right to stop investigating. But so many do.

Skeptical hypotheses have already been put forward, seeking a natural explanation for the Baigong Pipes that doesn't require the introduction of a wild assumption like alien visitation. The first thing we turn to are geological processes that might explain them. The Chinese have put forth several such hypotheses, including one involving the seepage of iron-rich magma into existing fissures in the rock.

A 2003 article in Xinmin Weekly described how this might work. Fractures caused by the uplift of the Qinghai-Tibet plateau could have left the ground riddled with such fissures, into which the highly pressurized magma driving the uplift would have been forced. Assuming this magma was of the right composition that, when combined with the chemical effects of subsequent geological processes, we might very likely expect to see such rusty iron structures in the local rock. But evidence of this has never surfaced, and the Chinese dismissed this theory. They also noted that the Qaidam oil field would not be able to exist if there were active volcanism in the area as recently as 150,000 years ago.

It was their next theory that ultimately led to a satisfactory explanation, and this theory involved the same hypothesized fissures in the sandstone. But, instead of being filled with iron-rich magma, the fissures could have been washed full of iron-rich sediment during floods. Combined with water and the presence of hydrogen sulfide gas, the sediment could have eventually hardened into the rusty metallic pipelike structures of iron pyrite found today. This theory was not fantastic, in part because there was no logical reason why the sandstone might happen to be laced with pipe shaped fissures. But the idea of flooding did make sense, given the geological history of the Qaidam Basin.

Three years before Bai Yu took his first peek into the cave at Lake Toson, researchers Mossa and Schumacher wrote in the Journal of Sedimentary Research about fossil tree casts in Louisiana. They found cylindrical structures in the soil, thermoluminescence dated from 75-95,000 years ago. The chemical composition of the cylinders varied depending on where and when they formed and in what type of soil. The authors found that these were the fossilized casts of tree roots, formed by pedogenesis (the process by which soil is created) and diagenesis (the lithification of soil into rock through compaction and cementation). The result of this process was to create metallic pipelike structures, which by comparing the descriptions offered by researchers, appear to be a perfect match for the Baigong Pipes.

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The Chinese scientists eventually did come to the same conclusion, according to the Xinmin Weekly article. They used atomic emission spectroscopy to conduct a detailed chemical analysis of the rusty pipe fragments, and found them to contain organic plant matter. Under the microscope they found tree rings, consistently throughout the samples. Once they established that the Baigong Pipes were simply fossilized tree casts, they set about to discover how they got there.

The Qaidam basin was once a vast lake, which has disappeared as the Qinghai-Tibet plateau uplifted the basin to its current elevation of about 2800 meters. Over the millennia, various floods filled the sink with runoff, alluvium, and debris including such fossils. They can now be found wherever such ancient flows deposited them, and it seems that Bai Yu was lucky enough to discover just such a pocket.

And so we end up with a complete story of how rusty iron pipes, tens of thousands of years older than any people who might have forged them, can end up embedded in solid sandstone in such a way as to baffle the average observer. Like many amateur researchers, Bai Yu stumbled upon an extraordinary discovery, but through his lack of applicable knowledge, misinterpreted what he saw. Those who underestimate the Earth's ability to produce fascinating effects are often left to grope for goofy explanations like alien construction projects. I find that the Baigong Pipes are one of the better examples of the folly of stopping at the paranormal explanation, compared to the rich rewards offered by following the scientific method to uncover what's really going on.

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Brian Dunning

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References & Further Reading

Beitler, B., Parry, W., Chan, M. "Fingerprints of Fluid Flow: Chemical Diagenetic History of the Jurassic Navajo Sandstone, Southern Utah, U.S.A." Journal of Sedimentary Research. 1 Jul. 2005, Volume 75, Number 4: 547-561.

Mossa, J., Schumacher, B. "Fossil tree casts in South Louisiana soils." Journal of Sedimentary Research. 1 Jul. 1993, Volume 63, Number 4: 707-713.

Owen, L., Finkel, R., Ma H., Barnard, P. "Late Quaternary landscape evolution in the Kunlun Mountains and Qaidam Basin, Northern Tibet: A framework for examining the links between glaciation, lake level changes and alluvial fan formation." Quaternary International. 13 Mar. 2006, Volume 154-155: 73-86.

Xinhuanet. "Chinese Scientists to Head for Suspected ET Relics." Xinhua News Agency. 19 Jun. 2002, Newspaper.

Xinmin Weekly. "Alien Ruins Show." Xinmin Weekly. 13 Oct. 2003, Newspaper.

Zheng, M. An introduction to saline lakes on the Qinghai-Tibet plateau. Boston: Kluwer Academic Publishers, 1997.

Reference this article:
Dunning, B. "The Baigong Pipes." Skeptoid Podcast. Skeptoid Media, Inc., 24 Nov 2009. Web. 22 May 2013. <http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4181>

Discuss!

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Here's a website that has a decent-ish picture of a piece of tube. http://otherworldmystery.com/the-mystery-of-the-baigong-pipes

Boris, United States
November 27, 2012 11:56am

I read more into it, the diameters are from 2 to 4.5 cm, yet they are 40 M long.

I did more research and could not fine there were ever a tree on earth that's 40M long with diameters of 2-4 CM.

As for tree roots, one of the poster above already covered it.

Reader, Vancouver
December 10, 2012 10:44pm

Anything more than wishful thinking is inappropriate given that no one has cited any type of carbon dating procedures?

I hope I missed it. Please, someone tell me where qualified professionals used carbon dating.

I get this fact:

"The Baigong Pipes are described as a sophisticated system of metal pipes, buried in geology in such a way that precludes the possibility of having been installed in modern times. "

Awesome. In what way? That's all I've got with modern science? Really?

I realize the raw data is fairly scarce and that Xinhua never followed up. I get that. But nothing else?

The Chinese government most definitely will not cover up an archaeological find like this. They would brag about it like they do every other scientific discovery or advance they head up. Further, if it's potentially extra-terrestial, would it really be a damn tourist site?

Hell, would it even be a tourist site if there was any inkling of evidence that it's the remnants of an ancient situation?

This phenomena was phenomenal to read about, but I'm really sad if no one can back hand me for poor analysis and point me to the evidence.

Matt, Indianapolis, IN, US
January 03, 2013 11:24pm

Carbon dating can easily get you 5-8 half lives. Accelerator Mass spectrometry (now the norm) really falls over at 60,000 years.

So if the baigong pipes were really that interesting, dating would have been requested by an archaeologist or an earth scientist toward a proposition that these were man made.

Alien invasions is a popular culture issue. As far as I can see, aliens must be far too clever to leave clues and buzz us from year to year just so they can remain "enigmatic".

May i ask if there is an "enigmatic" fallacy? After all, if the world relies on "common sense" after 6 million years or so of divergent evolution from gorilla/chimp, we are at least able to bring in the enigmatic fallacy..

No red fruit this year, there must be aliens landing in the barley fields!

Common sense = stay in the tree...

Mud, At virtually missing point, NSW, OZ,
January 07, 2013 8:12pm

I never heard of this before so I give brian kudos for bringing it up.

However I heavily disagree this is natural.

The uniformity and length is one aspect that defies nature.

Second is it does lead to a natural resource (water) thus showing PURPOSE.

Now on to weither its alien or man-made is one that is the true debate.

I don't think it is to far fetched to think a more advance people existed and then disapeared.

One fact of early man being more advaced is the roman aquaduct. Taking water from the mountians MILES away on a gentle slope to supply rome was amazing and not repeated after the fall of rome for centuries.

As for any record was not there a series on the history channel on what would survive after humans? Did they not make the case that most of what we have today would be gone after 1000 years?

So the idea that an earlier civilizaton having advance technology (be it from them or alien help) and little existing today is not far fetched.

But I do think the idea they are natural is a stretch at best and not proven.

Eric, Northern IL USA
February 01, 2013 11:59pm

This persistence with aliens is disturbing.

Mud, At (actually Pho\'s gulag) virtually missing point, NSW, OZ,
February 11, 2013 2:26am

Muds persistence that aliens do not exist or been to earth is highly illogical.

Eric, Northern IL USA
February 14, 2013 3:26am

Sorry Eric, we have no reason to believe in any alien contact, residence or signal.

If you believe otherwise, forgive my ex wife's belief in beaten and bloodied deities being hung on a tree!

Thirty years of going against priest hood has me just a bit prepared for greys.

Fallacies are fallacies.

Mud, Pho\\\\\\\'s Slave palace, Gerringong the Brave, NSW
April 01, 2013 1:07am

"I never heard of this before so I give brian kudos for bringing it up.

However I heavily disagree this is natural."

This is an excellent example of the CT mindset. You start with "I've never heard of this before", and then go on to lecture us about how wrong Brian is in his article, and about how the pipes cannot POSSIBLY be natural.

Subtle and humble, you ain't.

Øyvind, Sogndal
May 14, 2013 5:35am

This could have been extended Oyvind;

"However I heavily disagree this is natural.""

means that even perfectly natural aliens could not have done it..

Sadly, a quick squiz around the journal literature indicates, we still can't implicate the aliens ...well, not "validly".

Perfectly natural! Not even man made!

Moral Dolphin, Pho\'s Slave palace, Gerringong the Brave, NSW
May 14, 2013 5:43am

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