Killing Bigfoot with Bad Science
Is anyone doing any justice to the Bigfoot claim?
Filed under Cryptozoology
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Today, we're going down a dark forest path on the trail of Gigantopithecus Americanus: the North American Sasquatch.
I see many cases on both sides of the Bigfoot debate where bad arguments, bad science, and just plain weirdness is being put forth, doing great disservice to their own side of the argument. There are intelligent and productive ways to explore a subject and present a case, but I don't see it being done very often on either side of the Bigfoot debate. I'm going to present what I consider the top three ways that each side of the Bigfoot claim is shooting themselves in the foot, beginning with the skeptics.
1. Saying that the guy who confessed to making tracks disproves the entire thing.
In 2002, a Washington logger named Ray Wallace died, and his family produced the carved wooden feet that he used to make Bigfoot footprints all over the Pacific Northwest, beginning in 1958. The newspapers and TV tabloids lapped it up, reporting that the entire Bigfoot phenomenon was now proven to be a hoax perpetrated by Wallace. Well, I feel the time has come for me to come clean about something that I've wanted to get off my chest for decades. When I was a kid, I once made some fake Bigfoot footprints too. The cat's out of the bag. Bigfoot is now doubly proven to be a hoax.
Obviously, anyone who has any kind of basic understanding of research methodology can't accept Ray Wallace's story as proof that Bigfoot is a hoax. Sure, he made fake prints. So have a thousand other guys. They were doing it before Ray Wallace was born, and they're still doing it today. Anyone can be making those tracks. Anyone...
2. Saying the Patterson-Gimlin film is "the worst fake ever."
I'm not a Bigfoot believer but I will give credit where credit is due. The Patterson-Gimlin film looked like a real animal to me. The Discovery Channel's "duplication" of it looked ridiculous. It looked nothing like a real animal, and certainly didn't remotely resemble the subject shown in the Patterson-Gimlin film. Chewbacca looked more real than the Discovery Channel's Bigfoot suit. Hollywood's state of the art in gorilla suits in 1967 were Planet of the Apes and The Galileo Seven episode of Star Trek. Two loggers with no previous gorilla suit experience made a suit that was better than today's state of the art, and certainly light years ahead of the 1967 state of the art. I'm not saying the film's real, I'm saying give credit where credit is due, and admit that if it is a fake, it's astounding. If you disagree then go through a stabilized version frame-by-frame as I have.
The half dozen or so Hollywood special effects artists who have since "come forward" to claim that they were responsible for the Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot suit, and the dozens of guys who have "come forward" to claim that they were the guy wearing the suit, are no more evidence against the film than Ray Wallace's wooden feet are evidence that no real Bigfoot footprints exist.
Critics of the film also say that the creature's behavior is unrealistic. I have no knowledge of what a real Bigfoot's behavior might be, but I have encountered bears half a dozen times, and they acted exactly like the Patterson-Gimlin creature: just walked away, unconcerned, with maybe only a look or two back.
3. Criticizing good scientists like Jeff Meldrum.
I've read old and new criticism of Dr. Jeff Meldrum of Idaho State University, and I'm only mentioning his name in particular as one example. There are several prominent tenured professors at legitimate accredited universities who have done Bigfoot research. They are probably far, far outnumbered by professors who have done psychic or other paranormal research, but let's stick to the subject.
Dr. Meldrum is not the obsessed Bigfoot guy who lives and breathes it 24 hours a day, and exhorts his students to become believers. Rather, he has a long list of publications and edited volumes, none of which pertain to Bigfoot; he teaches six courses, none of which pertain to Bigfoot; he's an Associate Professor of Anatomy & Anthropology; he's an Adjunct Associate Professor in the Department of Anthropology and the Department of Occupational and Physical Therapy; and he's the Affiliate Curator at the Idaho Museum of Natural History. He's not the Professor of Bigfoot. He carries as great a load of academic work in non-Bigfoot related studies as any professor. He's a real scientist doing real work. On top of all of this, he studies casts of Bigfoot footprints.
Dr. Meldrum is responsible for drumming up his own grant money from private donors to fund any Bigfoot research that he chooses to do. In some cases, he has received small amounts of matching funds from the university. If you feel this was a bad expenditure, then criticize the university regents who decided to write the check, don't criticize the person they gave the funds to. The work of responsible scientists like Dr. Meldrum is exactly what true skeptics should be asking the Bigfoot community for, not criticizing him for it.
Here is the way for a responsible skeptic to handle the Bigfoot claim. It's to say "You're making an extraordinary claim. Show me extraordinary evidence, and I'll believe it. Until then, I'm not convinced." Occasionally candidate evidence has come forward, like hair and stool samples, or the skull cap from Tibet. This evidence has been properly tested, and so far no new great ape species has been proven (and if I'm wrong about that, I invite your comments on the web site). A responsible skeptic's obligations do not extend to poking fun at the people who are looking for evidence, considering the lack of evidence to be proof of no evidence, or making personal comments about people. That's not good science. In some cases, Dr. Meldrum, and other scientists like him, are being better skeptics than the skeptics.
And now, I'd like to say a few words to those who mean to support Bigfoot but do themselves more harm than good with bad arguments. The wrong ways to support Bigfoot:
1. Stating that Bigfoot is an extraterrestrial, or comes to us from another dimension.
If Bigfoot claims are going to make any headway into mainstream science, it will be through zoological channels, not supernatural channels. Such claims are the most extreme form of counterproductivity, setting Bigfoot claims backwards all the way into the Dark Ages.
2. Being delusional: Seeing detailed Bigfoots in a blurry photograph that shows no such thing.
Half the Bigfoot web sites out there show numerous photographs of bushes and wooded areas, with certain areas circled. There's nothing within the circled area except other bushes; maybe a shadow, or a dark branch. But wait! Here's a detailed sketch of what's hiding inside that shadow. I'm not a psychologist so I won't presume to affix a label to this phenomenon; but seeing things in pictures that aren't there, and then obsessing over it, does not strike me as healthy. It's certainly more effective at raising concern for the claimant, than it is at convincing anyone that Bigfoot exists. If all you have is bad evidence, you're better off not presenting it.
3. Doing bad science: Seeking to support a preconceived conclusion.
Science doesn't work by starting with the goal of proving something and then assembling whatever evidence you can find that supports it. That's doing propaganda, not science. Start with a testable hypothesis, and then form a theory based on the evidence revealed by the data. Of course, following this method is going to make it pretty hard to come up with a theory that's supportive of Bigfoot, but that's what it's going to take if Bigfoot supporters hope to prove their point.
I know you're going to listen to all of this and conclude that I'm the pro-Bigfoot guy. I'll admit to being a Bigfoot hopeful (a hope based more on emotion than on any actual likelihood), but certainly not a believer. My point is simply that both sides of every debate contain a lot chaff along with the wheat. Both sides of every skeptical issue believe that they're right, but even those on the side that is right (and by that, I mean whichever side you're on) can probably stand to clean up their act a little, no matter what the issue is.
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References & Further Reading
Alderman ,Jesse Harlan. "Bigfoot studies render academic an outcast." MSNBC. MSNBC.COM, 3 Nov. 2006. Web. 5 Nov. 2009. <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15548356/>
Autumn Williams. "Bigfoot Photo and Picture Gallery." OregonBigfoot.com, The Legend Lives. Autumn Williams, 1 Jan. 2009. Web. 18 Nov. 2009. <http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/gallery.php>
Daegling, David J., and Schmitt, Daniel O. "Bigfoot's Screen Test." The Skeptical Inquirer. 1 May 1999, Volume 23.3: 3.
Davis, Marlon K. "M.K. Davis' frame by frame rendition of the Patterson Film." Bigfoot Encounters. Bobbie Short, 1 Dec. 2005. Web. 15 Nov. 2009. <http://www.bigfootencounters.com/files/mk_davis_pgf.gif>
Eagan, Timothy. "Search for Bigfoot Outlives The Man Who Created Him." The New York Times. 3 Jan. 2003, New York Edition: Section A, page 1.
Meldrum, Jeff. Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science. New York: Forge Books, 2006.
Napier, John Russel. Bigfoot: The Sasquatch and Yeti in Myth and Reality. New York: E. P. Dutton, 1972.
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Remember, you should always read with skepticism the comments of anyone too lame to put their real name & city.
Jesus, as the son of an omniscient deity, you should know that hernias are not something that occur on limbs. Perhaps you should ask the old man, if you are still unsure of basic anatomy.
Marius vanderLubbe, nullabour Plain, Australia
June 06, 2010 7:54pm
Marius actually you can get hernias in many places. As defined a hernia is "a general term referring to a protrusion of a tissue through the wall of the cavity in which it is normally contained". The term herniate means to rupture. Most commonly we think of Epigastric or intestinal hernias, but quite often body builders will herniate leg muscles, this in many cases is known as a femoral hernia (upper thigh area)but other muscles in the legs can tear and herniate as well. Do a simple google search for leg hernia to see how many well respected medical websites list them as clinical injuries. Not only muscle but also soft tissue can herniate too. I myself have three herniated (again ruptured) discs in my lower spine where they protrude out beyond where they normally should be contained. So don't rule out something just because of your lack of understanding and/or knowledge on the subject matter. This is not a personal attack I just want to bring your attention to this to give you and others more information. I am not saying the footage indicates this as an injury of the "thing" (be it man or beast) in the film shown by Patterson, just that it is a real injury that could really happen. As the author of the article said do not throw bad science into your argument for or against Bigfoot. I, like him am an open minded skeptic, but its arguments that lack scientific knowledge or act on emotion and conjecture that do not help either side's cause.
Hairy Woodsman, Western / MA
July 30, 2010 1:20pm
This one sounded a bit apologetic and one-sided to me, to be honest. BBC's undeniably ridiculous recreation of the PG footage is no argument for (or against) anything, in my opinion. They couldn't replicate it, that's for sure, but in no way does this indicate that *actual* sate-of-the-art special effects teams couldn't pull it off more convincingly. I mean, just look at old puppets and suits by Jim Henson's Creature Shop, for example. Hollywood has been able to create lifelike monster/animal suits for decades, including ones with non-human limb-to-body ratios. I'm aware that this doesn't touch the authenticity of the PG film, but my point is that just because a TV show couldn't replicate it properly doesn't mean it's impossible. Just watch movies like Congo, or Labyrinth to see eerily lifelike creature suits in action, and those are hardly state-of-the-art anymore.
E. Fahn, Ulm, Germany
August 10, 2010 12:41pm
In this show Mr. Dunning said something to the effect that not finding , or not having solid proof of B.F. is not evidence that there is NO B.F.. I don't think that is really correct. There have been may looking for this creature and with today's technology , it is ALMOST impossible not to find a creature so large when we have supposed evidence to follow. The fact we can't find the creature despite of decades of searching and real research money being spent on it , does give strong evidence of there being no such creature. I will admit, Yes it still may be possible even though, that B.F. exists , But with absolutely no evidence to date it makes it highly improbable. Yes we can't know everything , but not finding anything to support this claim is still very strong evidence that B.F. does not exist.
googoobh, Cuyahoga Falls
August 20, 2010 9:26am
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The creature that Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin filmed in 1967 in Northern California at Bluff Creek of Bigfoot was real. If it was a fake there was no reason to make it a female. That would simply be more trouble for them to create. It would be simpler to make a male.
Plus it had a hernia on it's leg. Why would they go to the trouble of putting that there. The creature that Roger Patterson filmed was half man and half gorilla. It was created by men that went to Africa a long time ago. They used ropes to catch female gorilla's and had sex with them and that's where the African people came from. The first Europeans that saw the Africans said that some of the African women had genitals that resembled that of a gorilla. If you look at the nose of an African you will notice that it is wide like the gorilla's nose. Bigfoot is simply a man made creature. And that's the truth.
Jesus Christ, Deadwood, SD
May 11, 2010 5:34pm