It’s been over two years since I was on the Joe Rogan show, but since people continue to ask me about it, I’ll talk about it. But the first thing to know is that if you saw the YouTube video, you got hoaxed.
Although Rogan and Redban were friendly and awesome while I was there, after I left they went full agro on me. Their emails were basically just F-U. But here’s the worst part: Not satisfied that I may not have looked as bad as they wanted me to on their full 3-hour show, they posted a much more watchable 24-minute cut — edited to make me look as rude and stupid as possible. To get a sense, just watch the first 5 seconds. When Joe greets me politely, it’s edited so that my only reply is to sneer and roll my eyes. That sets the tone for the rest of it. In reality, we had a normal friendly, positive greeting, and a conversation to match.
Personally, I think it’s pretty messed up, and shows cowardice on the part of Rogan and Redban, that they put this hoax version forward. If you hate me that much, let that come through in the actual video, rather than editing it to make it look so bad. I don’t know how the hoax edit is promoted, but it currently has more than 10 times as many views as the full version — well over a million. There are a number of cloned copies of it all over YouTube also.
NOTE: I have since been told that the hoax edit was NOT made by Rogan or his people. However, since it uses their copyrighted logo, is named “Roganology”, consists entirely of their copyrighted content, it is monetized with ads, they are aware that it is drawing the lion’s share of the views of our interview, it is presented as if it is their official version, and YouTube’s copyright policy means Rogan could have it and its clones removed with a single mouse click; it is clear that they wish it to remain the public version of our interview. So, I believe my comments above still stand, no matter who actually made the edit. Rogan and Redban are cowards for not having YouTube kick it off.
I sent YouTube a copy of my rights release that I signed for JRE to ask them to remove the hoax video, because it used my appearance in a manner unauthorized with the release, but they turned it down.
But enough of that. Let’s talk about the main moment in the hoax video that has Roganites dancing in the streets over how stupid I am. At one point in the interview, these words actually did come out of my mouth:
Any normal diet, the reason you poop and pee is because you ate more than you needed.
Now, of course that’s not true, and no knowledgeable person thinks it is. Taken out of context, as a standalone claim, it’s goofy; because poop and pee contain a lot more than undigested food, such as all your body’s metabolic byproducts. And as a reasonable person might assume, there was a context in our discussion that is lost when you look at the sentence by itself. Here’s what happened.
The hoax edit
Note that in the hoax version, in the midst of a conversation about antioxidant supplementation, I throw the sentence out at random, without any context:
The full show with context
In the full show, my comment is in the proper context of a discussion of the six basic nutrients your body uses in the food you eat. Your body takes what little of the basic nutrients it needs, and the rest of that giant Thanksgiving meal — plus any dietary supplements — go out through your GI tract:
Obviously, my sentence was not worded to say what I meant. All I meant was that you poop and pee what you don’t use; I did not mean that poop and pee consists of nothing else. It was a poorly worded sentence, jumbled on the fly as I was talking about a complicated subject. That’s no excuse, because I was trying to represent a science-based perspective, and we should always have our best foot forward when doing so.
What can we do with this?
However, the idea does suggest an interesting puzzle. Would it be possible to get your body into a state of perfect equilibrium, where poop and pee actually do go to zero? What if you ate nothing that would produce any metabolic byproducts when digested, and contained nothing beyond the water, fats, carbs, proteins, vitamins, and minerals that your body needed?
Although it’s a tempting experiment, the answer is a resounding no, and the first problem you’d encounter in such an effort is kidney failure. It’s called acute tubular necrosis. Also, unless you urinate about 600mL per day, you’ll build up toxic metabolites. There are, in fact, a whole raft of biochemical processes going on in your body, just in normal healthy living, that produce waste byproducts. Some doctors I’ve spoken to have speculated that it might be possible get poop close to zero, but not urine. You get big problems pretty quickly if the urinary system is not actively doing its thing.
Interestingly, your gut biome also plays into this puzzle. All those bacteria have their own metabolic systems, and are eating and producing the same as their host human is. Their output into your GI tract, along with your liver’s output, mean that your poop will never quite get to zero no matter what, but you could certainly live well on a minimal all-liquid diet.
So for all of those interested in maximizing your body’s efficiency, I am sorry to disappoint, but I’m confident you were not taking my comment on the Rogan show as inspiration that it might be possible. Eat up, and keep on pooping.