Hey, Where’s the Fukushima Plume?

After I started writing about the aftermath of the Fukushima nuclear disaster, it quickly became clear that there was a huge amount of fearmongering about it. Garbage anti-science pieces like “At the very least your days of eating Pacific Ocean fish are over” and “28 Signs the West Coast is Being Absolutely Fried by Fukushima Radiation” were needlessly scaring the crap out of those who didn’t have the training, knowledge, or common sense filter needed to see through them.

The result was that people became afraid that radiation was melting all life in the Pacific Ocean, that cancer was slamming the West Coast, that fish were inedible, that the beach was a death zone, that Japan would be obliterated, that half of America would have to be evacuated, that giant marine animals were washing ashore, that the ocean was broken, that life as we knew it was over, and on and on.

And all of that horror was before “the plume” reached the West Coast.

The radiation leak from Fukushima actually has two components. One was the initial leak from the incident itself, which hit the US fairly quickly. The other was the much slower moving “plume” of radioactive water, the extent of which only became clear last year after Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) admitted that 300 tons of runoff was leaking into the Pacific every day, with no way to stop it.

The New York Times' map of the Fukushima Plume projection.

The New York Times’ map of the Fukushima Plume projection.

There were generally two reactions to the news that a plume of radioactive water was heading straight toward the West Coast:

Scientists did science. They researched, they set up studies, they developed computer models, they wrote papers, they disseminated their findings, they adjusted their hypotheses accordingly. The aim was to determine when the plume would arrive, what danger it carried, and what the next steps should be.

Panicmongers mongered panic. They wrote long blog posts trumping up the unknown dangers, they spread false stories, they relied on dubious sources, they sold anti-nuclear products, they accused researchers and government officials of covering up the “real story” of how bad it was. The aim was to make money, abolish nuclear power, and spread fear.

What the researchers looking into the plume found was, at least to me, fairly comforting:

1. Traces of Fukushima radioactivity would reach the West Coast of the US sometime in early 2014.
2. Because of the natural dilution of a relatively small amount of water in the hugeness of the ocean, they would be just that – traces.
3. However, there was no way to tell exactly when the radiation would arrive.
4. Therefore, monitoring of the radiation levels in sea life and water should continue.
5. While that’s happening, go about your business safe in the knowledge that you aren’t being fried.

So here we are, past early 2014. Almost halfway through the year, really. What’s the status of the plume?

For one thing, we still don’t know when the plume will hit, or if it actually has. The estimates are still a moving target.

A February press release from Woods Hole researcher Ken Buesseler, a leading figure in the fight to calm the Fukushima panic, said that the plume hadn’t yet reached the West Coast, but would in April. And the California Coastal Commission released a report saying that the main body of the plume wouldn’t hit that state until 2015. However, a presentation at the Ocean Sciences Meeting of the American Geophysical Union in Honolulu made the case that the plume had already reached US waters.

Other evidence supports this conclusion, though not to any degree that should cause alarm. Radioactive isotopes were being found all along the West Coast, though in extremely low levels, virtually indistinguishable from the radioactivity left by decades of nuclear bomb testing. Albacore tuna caught off the coast of Oregon have shown trace amounts of radioactivity, though in such small quantities that you’d have to eat 700,000 pounds of it to equal the amount of radiation you’re normally exposed to. Meanwhile, West Coast kelp has shown no signs of radioactivity. Additionally, a new UN report downplayed the danger of both radioactivity in fish and the perceived spike in cancer in the Fukushima area.

So has the plume hit us yet? The only scientifically accurate answer would be to say we just don’t know.

Keep in mind that “we don’t know” is ALWAYS an acceptable answer when it’s the right answer. Sometimes it’s the only acceptable answer. What happened to Flight MH370? We don’t know. Is there life on other planets? We don’t know. What exactly is dark matter? We don’t know.

Of course, that’s not stopping the panicmongers.

A Google search for “Fukushima plume” brings up a wealth of hit pieces from the usual suspects at RT, Enenews, and Infowars. They have horror titles like:

“Fukushima Plume Arrives at West Coast — Expert: “If this was of greater health concern, we’d be very worried”; One model predicts levels over 1,000% higher than another, “this is not really acceptable”

“Radiation level in tuna off Oregon coast tripled after Fukushima disaster”

“Fukushima Destroys Fetal Brains”

“Fukushima Radiation Plume Hitting California! (And lying coverup…)”

And so forth. It’s the same nonsense they’ve been dishing out since the disaster first happened. And it’s as false now as it was then.

Conspiracy theorists love to make pronouncements of life-changing things that are “just about to happen” that never actually do. We saw it with those who believed the Boston Marathon bombing was engineered to usher in martial law, and it never happened. We saw it with those who believed the Sandy Hook massacre was faked to introduce draconian gun laws, which never appeared. And we see it with the scam artists who declare that Iraqi dinar is constantly on the verge of revaluing, when there’s literally no possibility of such a thing occurring.

And so we see it here with the “plume of death” from Fukushima. They declare it’s about to hit us, and move the timeline as many times as they have to in order to ensure they’re right. Then when the plume does hit and almost certainly causes no harm, they’ll pontificate about the horrors that the mainstream media and reputable scientists conspired to cover up.

This is what panicmongers do. This is what conspiracy theorists do. This is what charlatans do. They sell you fear, then sell you products to protect you from the fear they sold you.

If you’re truly worried about the plume, keep an eye on news coming from places like Woods Hole, NOAA, and science blogs like Deep Sea News. Or even better, join Dr. Buesseler’s effort to crowdsource the tracking of radiation. Smart people are doing good work to find the truth about Fukushima and its aftermath – and none of them are interested in scaring you.

About Mike Rothschild

Mike Rothschild is a writer and editor based in Pasadena. He writes about scams, conspiracy theories, hoaxes and pop culture fads. He's also a playwright and screenwriter. Follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/rothschildmd.
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59 Responses to Hey, Where’s the Fukushima Plume?

  1. John Denys says:

    Thanks a lot for the article. I enjoy reading on Skeptoid and especially articles that concern Japan.

    In the Japanese news the problem that most often comes up with regard to the people evacuated from near Fukushima #1 is social. Here people tend not to move because of high land prices so they live near the same families for generations. The problems caused by the disruption of their communities is what you read about most.

    There’s a former prime minister named Koizumi who wants Japan to stop using nuclear power. He says we should use wind and solar but I wasn’t able to find anything that shows he understands the concept of baseload power.

    • Hi John,
      It would be great if you could explain (for Mr. Kozumi of course, not for me!) the concept of base load power!

      • John Denys says:

        Call me cynical but it often seems like politicians want to stop doing this or that but don’t offer an alternative. In a perfect world we would have no coal or nuclear power and run everything on unicorn farts. As it stands now, however, Japan receives a lot of pollution (and low priced consumer goods) from China because of their heavy use of coal. I would actually prefer them to use nuclear power more.

        • yes, but what is “Baseload power” in your original comment?

          • John Denys says:

            It’s the minimum amount of electricity that must be provided to a given area. No matter if it’s not windy or sunny a certain amount of power must still be generated

            Baseload power is an important concept for the nuclear power issue because wind power and solar power cannot be generated on demand. They are not good baseload power sources. They are intermittent energy sources. Coal and nuclear are good for providing baseload power.

          • Eric Hall says:

            This is very true – which is why storage is an important area of research – such as having wind and solar electrolyze water and store the hydrogen, having it pump water to store as mechanical energy, etc. Until then, we do need coal/natural gas/nuclear to provide base power.

  2. Phil Arnold says:

    You’ll also remember that the spent fuel pool was on the verge of collapse and this was also to destroy humanity. You can see the spent fuel removal progress here (along with radioisotope monitoring off the Fukushima coast). http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/decommision/index-e.html

    Almost 2/3rds removed without incident.

    But the spent fuel threat meme persists here in California from San Onofre. My local paper, the OC Register, has been spreading fears about it, along with Senator Boxer. Meanwhile California’s emissions are up 30% after the plant’s closure.

    I just can’t understand why politicians who are concerned most about climate change are also the ones most against nuclear energy – by far the largest low CO2 energy source. Closing nuke plants means more fossil fuel burning- this had been demonstrated time and again with California, Japan and Germany.

  3. Dennis Novak says:

    One of the “problems” with radiation, is that it can be measured at incredibly low levels. A decent radiation instrument will count individual nuclear decays. It doesn’t take much to raise a trivial number to a much higher, but still trivial, number.

    We’re all gonna Diiiiiie!

  4. Benladinde says:

    >>You’ll also remember that the spent fuel pool was on the verge of collapse and this was also to destroy humanity.

    I don’t get your cockiness, the pool was weakened by the events, therefore the risk of collapse was real. That’s what you do when you asses risks you put together a list of “might happen”. This kind of bravado turning statements from “might” into “will happen” to further ridicules people who actually worry and not just think all is cool because (…) science is not really helping.

  5. Shirley Rieven says:

    Really nice blog Mike. Thank you.

  6. Skep Tick says:

    “2. Because of the natural dilution of a relatively small amount of water in the hugeness of the ocean, they would be just that – traces.”

    It’s homeopathic radioactivity! That’s the worst kind! XD

  7. ask412 says:

    “Hey, Where’s the Fukushima Plume?” Here go again. Appreciate the intent at clarity.

    Radiation is invisible, has no taste or smell. But I have to say that is a deliberately antagonistic byline, understandable as the tablet media lead with this type of misdirection. The modelling is disappointing to read though. As it belies your natural intelligence and looks like deliberate dumbing down.

    The main job of the nuclear weapons and energy industries right wing think tanks, advertising and branding media headed by the IAEA, is to seed disinformation and provide their version of reality. A vested interest perspective, most people of the American culture have a vested interest. Some have suspicions, and if not anecdotal evidence of current contamination issues already front and centre where they live based on home grown incidents.

    Then there a the vested interests of employees and those behind ‘team conservative’ supporting the Nuclear Weapons and Energy Bloc. Given it is the largest employer in the world is this group, it stands to reason comments on this thread will be weighted pro nuclear.

    Then there is those who actually believe the framing of human life on earth should defined by economics, its demand for efficiencies and increasing productivity. Dismissing all the incredible social capital values held dear to humans from every stage of human development. Values that make life worth living, families thrive on and communities to evolve from.
    So believe in all good faith a pure profit premise is good. That the trickle down economy works. Even though we have corporate oligarchies ruling the world and the IAEA represents the most powerful of them all. Able to leverage wealth and power to create legislation to suit their agenda.

    After all our politicians defer to ‘economics’ as the ultimate ‘truth’. Placing it at the apex of our meritocracy and the political centre is currently enamored with the power it wields.

    The other group is the well meaning CAM followers. However anyone failing for unscientific mumbo jumbo put out typically by faith based and ignorant CAM followers is just not applying due diligence. Vested interest is another matter entirely and a lot less squirrelly to deal with.

    Appreciate your candor Mike in saying;

    ~ There was no way to tell exactly when the radiation would arrive ~
    ~ Monitoring of the radiation levels in sea life and water should continue ~

    These basic principles are part of critical thinking, being able to set aside biases or at least account for them to access information is crucial.

    In an open discussion there is nothing wrong with vested interest as long as it is declared. Providing a frame of reference and ability for others to trace a line of logic to the source.

    ‘Pseudonyms’ and certain individuals commenting here will either use one of two strategies.
    * Seed disinformation
    or
    * Fail to support that ‘long term studies are worthwhile’ or needed and actively white ant this essential course and direction in public policy.

    It will be interesting to view this thread in the coming months and analyze the biases, disinformation and deliberate white anting.

    As for the ‘ferals’ and those following CAM memes, lets hope they just make ideological points and get respected for their value system.

  8. George Kanakaris says:

    This is disturbing.What’s next , radioation is good for you ?

  9. Dean Andrew says:

    Tepco has no solution to cooling the melted reactor cores (yes they denied they were actually melted for months/year), Tepco have no solution to the tonnes of contaminated poisoned water flooding into the fukushima water table every day, so yeah maybe Californians are safe, but its still catastrophic disaster with no end in sight to risk of cancer for local inhabitants….. maybe you should be skeptical on the safety of nuclear power, and perhaps take walk along the Japanese coast and see dozens of nuclear reactors waiting for another earthquake/tsunami.

  10. George Kanakaris says:

    Unbelievable to read this in 21st century

  11. chris says:

    Mike, you forgot to mention the credit taking that the cranks engage in. Because they got the word out, there was no massive police state crackdown or draconian gun laws, because you took their pseudo-medicines you didn’t get sick. It’s a common thread among those types.

  12. Andy C says:

    “‘Pseudonyms’ and certain individuals commenting here will either use one of two strategies.
    Seed disinformation”
    Kind of ironic coming from “ask4112″
    ” Fail to support that ‘long term studies are worthwhile’ or needed and actively white ant this essential course and direction in public policy.” -huh?

  13. Since this disaster cancer rates have skyrocketed in Japan and on the West Coast, especially in children!! Go do your homework then write the truth!

    • I already did “do my homework.” Cancer rates are NOT skyrocketing on the west coast, and the reason there’s been a spike in pediatric thyroid cancer around Fukushima is because more children are being tested earlier. More testing = more diagnosis.

      http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/11/25/dire-warnings-and-melting-starfish-fukushima-fear/

      • George Kanakaris says:

        This is the man that says radioactivity is “unavoidable and virtually always harmless”.
        After Hiroshima , Nagasaki , Tchernobyl …

        • George…I think we should get him a ticket to Japan and Mr Rothschild live there for a while.

        • John Denys says:

          George, granite gives off radiation. Sunlight is radiation. Working in a coal mine exposes people to more radiation than working in a nuclear power plant. Humans evolved in an environment with a certain amount of radiation. We are all exposed to it every day and it is usually harmless.

          • John….do you know how far we are from the sun? And, radiation damage from the sun does cause DNA damage and cancer! Research the increased incidence in pilots and other airline personnel who routinely fly. I have because I dated a pilot who had melanoma on his leg and the facts might alarm you! Granite does give off minute amounts of radiation but you can surely NOT compare that to the meltdown of several nuclear reactors, can you? I grew up a few hours from a nuclear reactor and the little town where the reactor is located has been featured on 20/20 because of the numbers or birth defects in animals, namely 2 headed turtles, snakes and other deformities. Seriously? You think radiation is harmless? Tell you what….come visit me and I’ll let you visit the MRI department and hang out with patients. I’m sure you wouldn’t mind that…or not wearing a lead vest for your protection since radiation is “harmless”. Maybe you haven’t read the Harvard medical study stating that women who get routine mammograms have a higher rate of breast cancer due to radiation exposure from the MRI! Exposure to ANY amount of radiation isn’t good, whether it be environmental or in this case due to a natural disaster that caused damage to the reactors.

      • Mike Rothschild…why do you suppose they’re testing children for thyroid cancer? I’ve raised 2 children and neither has ever been routinely tested for cancer. Unless there’s a REASON, there’s no need.

        • You’ve raised two children who don’t have cancer – meaning Fukushima caused a spike in cancer? What?

          • Are you really that ignorant? Of course the NUCLEAR DISASTER AT FUKUSHIMA CAUSED A SPIKE IN CANCER!!!! I raised two children who weren’t routinely tested for cancers, just as I said. The very simple question I posed to you stands. WHY do you think increased routine testing has been necessary in Japan? I’ll spell it out for you. Could it be exposure to radiation?? Or do you not see any correlation between a nuclear disaster and increased cancer rates, especially thyroid which is the most prevalent cancer along with leukemias after radiation exposure. May I ask…where were you educated? How old are you? Good LORD!

          • Susanna, the testing is because of the Fukushima incident. Obviously. And the increase in testing has lead to an increase in cancer diagnoses.

            Now here’s the tricky part: the job of science is to connect the Fukushima incident to the increase in cancer. We do this through research and testing, not through deciding that they’re linked because they’re obviously linked.

            All we know is that more cancer is being *detected*. We don’t know that more cancer is being *caused*. Studies to determine if that’s the case are being carried out right now. Would similar testing in other areas of Japan or the US or wherever reveal a similar spike in cancer detection? You don’t know, and you can’t honestly say that you do.

            Remember, the more you look for something, the more likely it is you’re going to find it.

          • Mike, I KNOW why they are testing. I was doubtful if YOU understood from your comments. I was doubtful you understand radiation exposure at all.

            Proximity and length of exposure have always been determinants in onset and severity of radiation sickness symptoms. Do you have any idea what the half-life of radiation is or why that is important in the long term issues? Do you realize what even small amounts of radiation exposure does to DNA or how it affects fertility and positive outcomes in live births?

            I live in the cancer belt. I’m a medical professional. I do know statistics and actually do research. (smile). I grew up in a state in which a reactor is located and know those cancer, infant mortality and birth defect rates as well as the environmental impact. I have SEEN the animals (two headed snakes, turtles and other deformed wildlife) and I can tell you the incidence in these deformities is MUCH higher the closer to any nuclear reactor, even one that has not been damaged to the point of leaking and undetermined and underestimated amount of radiation into the soil and groundwater as per TEPCO’s recent admission! And they are still in the process of removing the radioactive rods so this is far from over.

            I AM a scientist and realize you are not.

            I have associates in Japan who are physicians, so I am getting the most recent and most accurate information. I counsel people world wide on how to minimize the effects of radiation.

            Your arguments and comments are questionable at best, and obviously uninformed and biased. I even wonder if you’re being paid to minimize and attempt to dilute the issue. If you are going to use this venue and forum to talk about one of the largest and possibly the most catastrophic nuclear disasters in the history of nuclear energy you should at the very least tell the truth. All I can say is SHAME ON YOU!

            The people of Japan deserve better and everyone deserves to know the truth!

            And remember, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!

            http://rt.com/news/tokyo-radiation-fukushima-children-836/

            http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/21/world/asia/japan-fukushima-visit-ripley/

          • John Denys says:

            I’ll be frank. I got sick of you claiming to know everything and have experience in everything so I clicked on your name. This leads to a website called http://www.healinghandsmassages.com. Is this what you call being a medical professional? Most people would say you’ve misrepresented yourself.
            There is even a reflexology chart on your site;
            http://healinghandsmassages.com/wp-content/uploads/Reflexology-Hand-Chart1.jpg
            If you still want to claim to be a “medical professional” then I think my definition of that phrase is completely different from yours. Most people would say you believe in pseudoscience and are simply giving massages.

            By the way, what was the name of the reactor you claim was causing two headed turtles?

          • Susanna – you say you’re a scientist, a medical professional and a researcher.

            Where are your degrees from? What are they in? What papers have you published? What studies have you conducted? What professional experience do you have studying the science of radiation and nuclear power?

            Keep in mind that I’ve never claimed to have any of these things, but I cite the work of people that actually do.

            Because I’m pretty sure that a research scientist who works with nuclear power would never use phrases like “the half life of radiation” or “cancer belt” or “I wonder if you’re being paid.”

          • You know Mike, I asked where your degrees are from earlier and you declined to respond.

            You’re very good at circular arguments and changing the subject when you’re lost, aren’t you? You make irrelevant conclusions and often deflect. I believe I’ve made my points so that anyone reading this thread will draw their own conclusions are to your “research”.

            The phrases your mentioned are used by scientists…even cancer belt. I live in Houston. I work in the medical center. The cancer belt refers to the Southern coastline and Houston is part of that area. I have been a nurse for over 25 years in critical care. I was an editor of medical abstracts for a company in Japan for many years. I am a consultant on projects I am not at liberty to discuss here and I do not feel obligated to answer your queries or defend myself.

            It’s quite evident you don’t like to be corrected or challenged in any way. That’s not only egotistical, but arrogant…and the hubris of the young. I”ll leave you and everyone else with this…..

            http://fukushima-diary.com/2014/06/photo-fukushima-decontamination-volunteer-blood-suddenly-splashes-out-of-skin-quite-often-this-is-the-reality/

            What is happening in Japan is a crime against humanity. Take your rose colored glasses off my dear and wake up!!

          • John Denys says:

            I think the “Fukushima Diary” is a scam. The man accepts “donations” through a Romanian bank. In Japan it is very unusual for someone to have a bank account in a foreign country. In general Japanese are wary of foreign countries in general let alone putting their money in a former eastern block bank. Why on earth would he be using a Romanian bank? Is Romania a new global financial center?

  14. John Denys…what are YOUR credentials? hahaha You think you can discredit science or me because I not only went to nursing school but believe massage helps people or because I have a reflexology chart on a website. Do you know anything about what happens to DNA due to damage from radiation? Do you have any clue about the long term effects? I believe almost 30 years as a nurse and medical training in nuclear response give me some credibility.

    Since you are attempting to discredit me…and asked me earlier for my “sources”, here’s one for you

    Dr. Helen Caldecott, who taught at Harvard Medical school and is a well renowned expert on nuclear disasters.

    http://www.helencaldicott.com/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_CiEnJ4Wo Be sure to listen to the entire interview. It gets particularly interesting around minute 17.

    • John Denys says:

      You failed to answer my question about the Fukushima Diary scam.

      You must be pretty excited to spam all of my answers with the same link. You should try to be less self righteous. People who actually know what they’re talking about don’t get bent out of shape like you have. It sounds like you’re the type of nurse who thinks she’s a doctor.

      If I need any advice about reflexology or any other pseudoscience I’ll know who to contact.
      Bye.

      • Actually John I did not fail to answer. I commented I posted that site link so that people can see the photos. As to your other comments about reflexology, check a few medical books because you’re obviously not up to date. Many forward thinking hospitals offer alternative treatments, just as they are now offering organic foods.

        Correcting ignorance is not getting bent out of shape. But, there are some people who no matter what facts they are presented with will still live in denial. You seem to be one of those people, and my philosophy is a bit like John Wayne’s. “Life is hard. It’s harder if you’re stupid.”

        No need to waste my time explaining what every kid who takes earth science in elementary school learns if you aren’t willing to listen, is there?

    • John Denys says:

      Helen Caldicott hasn’t practiced medicine for over 30 years. She seems to be more of an activist than anything else. It’s fine to be against nuclear power but what else can we do? Burn more coal like Germany? Solar and wind haven’t lived up to our hopes.

      By the way, repeating that you’ve been a nurse for 25 or 30 years is simply a version of the appeal to authority fallacy. This is not a valid method of argument.

      • The photos posted in the Fukushima diary were my point. You and Rothschild seem to be in denial about the effects of radiation. Whether Dr. Caldicott practices now or not is really beside the point. Her experience and work in the field of pediatrics and knowledge with regard to radiation is beyond question. I was citing her credentials. Yes, she is an activist and I’m thankful for people like her who are not afraid to bring awareness of this event and others that have had catastrophic effects. Why do you think the news about Fukushima is being censored? Why do you think the government of Japan is threatening people who are trying to get the word out? To answer your inane question, I was in the medical field in a different capacity before completing my nursing degrees. What medical experience do you have John? Just making sure people see these links and if they are applicable I will post. You’re not an admin here and you can’t censor me! I think you and your cohort Mr. Rothschild should move to Japan and take up residence nearby Fukushima if you’re both so convinced there is no danger!

        • chris says:

          Laf. The day I see this site censor people for being nuts is the day I stop reading. We embrace the nuttery and try to dispel it, however difficult that may be.

        • John Denys says:

          You should make a donation to the Fukushima Diary scam. I sure your money will be well spent. LOL

          Wow! I just looked at the Limu video on your website. You know it’s a pyramid scheme right? Your not a medical professional but you play one in real life.

          After seeing that video I decided there was no point in discussing anything more with you. You don’t understand the difference between science and pseudoscience.

  15. John Denys says:

    What’s your response to my question about the Fukushima Diary being a scam? Try to stay on topic. Also, please don’t spam all my responses with the same link.

  16. I’m curious….on the URL for skeptoid and on your twitter account your ID there is MD behind your name Mike Rothschild. Why? Isn’t that a bit misleading? What does it stand for? Master of Denial because we know you’re not a medical doctor.

  17. John Denys says:

    After looking at some video of Helen Caldicott it appears that being anti-nuclear has become her religion or something close to it. She claims 1,000,000 deaths from Chernobyl. The WHO has a less wild eyed and more science based view of the issue: http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/chernobyl/backgrounder/en/

    • First of all John, while that is a 20 year study the initial data was probably NOT accurate as per the article itself.

      The article written in 2006, states that data collection and subsequent available information was inaccurate due to a number or reasons, in large part due to mistrust. Now, I wonder why?

      As most informed people know and understand studies are dependent on many factors and if the study is based on skewed data then the study is worthless. Any study based on bad science is just a bad study.

      I don’t believe for one second that the WHO followed millions of people who were exposed to radiation for a 20 year period and in fact your “highly scientific study” was a UNSCEAR study!

      Furthermore do you know where the monies for this study, done by United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) originate? Well, I’ll tell you….pro-nuclear supporters including politicians and the nuclear industry who all stand to gain monetarily from hiding accurate information and under-reporting damages! The following is from GreenRoads: http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/04/iaea-icrp-and-unscear-are-all-staffed.html

      “So when you think you are hearing from three different and individual scientific or international bodies, they are actually all one and the same. So what is the IAEA? The IAEA is a marketing arm of the nuclear industry, with it’s budget paid for by the nuclear industry. For the details and proof plus a history lesson, click on the following links.

      WHO/IAEA Collusion – Negative Health Impact of Fukushima: Warnings and Recommendations by Michel Fernex; via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/12/whoiaea-collusion-negative-health.html

      IAEA, WHO, NRC And Others; A Web Of Deception? via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/05/iaea-who-and-others-web-of-deception.html

      So on the one hand, we have the pro nuclear marketing arm of the nuclear industry, represented by the IAEA, WHO, NRC, UNSCEAR and ICRP, plus their allied politicians that receive ‘donations’ from the nuclear industry. They seem to care only about short term profits and protecting the ‘image’ of the nuclear industry, even inside of ‘peer reviewed’ studies.

      On the other hand, we have the pro human rights, pro healthy children medical doctors and pro environmental groups who represent average people and communities and want a green, healthy and sustainable future and are following the ‘true’ science of reporting on actual medical and scientific studies, representing them just as they are, with no industry bias or profit motive. Which one would you listen to?”

      Bottom line. Radiation causes damage to DNA. DNA that is damaged is more likely to result in disease processes such as cancer, birth defects, infertility, as well as other sequelea.

      According to one source, “Over the years, says Alex, the U.S. government has paid some $813 million to more than 16,000 “downwinders” to compensate them for illnesses presumably connected to the bomb testing program. So it is clear that tests like these — often done to demonstrate the safety of nuclear weapons in the atmosphere — were not safe at all.”

      The US Government has paid out an extraordinary amount of money to people exposed to nuclear testing.

      http://www.allgov.com/departments/department-of-justice/radiation-exposure-compensation-program?agencyid=7219

      Radiation from the Fukushima nuclear meltdown is being under-reported and why? MONEY and GREED!!!!

      Have we not learned anything???

      I’m guessing from your insistence that radiation poses no danger and that we’re being told the truth about Fukushima or Chernobyl for that matter that you’re a supporter of GMO’s, Roundup, aspartame, and pharmaceutical drugs.

      Keep on drinking the Kool-aid.

      • So, the scientists you don’t believe are biased shills, and the ones you do believe are crusaders for human rights. Is that correct?

      • John Denys says:

        Limu is a pyramid scheme and the Fukushima Diary is a scam. Any response? How about Helen’s one million figure?

        It would help the discussion to stick to one topic and not jump around putting up loads and loads of links.

  18. John Denys says:

    One problem with big international conspiracy theories, like saying the IAEA or WHO is being paid off by the nuclear industry, is that the people who work there live in many different countries. I live in Japan and don’t have children so maybe someone could bribe me to ignore something in Europe. It would be harder to bribe someone in Europe to look the other way about something fishy there. Another problem with paying off an international organization is that you’d have to pay the interpreters too. Like most conpiracy theories it collapses under the weight of numbers.
    Another issue is that scientists living in the affected countries would want the international community to know about the problem so their areas could receive aid for clean up.

    Germany likes to think of itself as a green country but they only produced 24.1% of their electricity from renewable energy sources in 2013. https://www.destatis.de/EN/FactsFigures/EconomicSectors/Energy/Production/Tables/GrossElectricityProduction.html

    It’s time for my Kool aid break so I’ll cut this short. To me it seems to come down to a question of nuclear power or burning coal. I choose nuclear. It’s safe and can provide baseload power.

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