Trinity: Interview with Dr. Oz, Alex Jones, and Deepak Chopra

Skeptoid interviews three of the most popular and controversial figures in modern pseudoscience.

by Brian Dunning

Filed under Alternative Medicine, Conspiracies, Health

Skeptoid #350
February 19, 2013
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Today we're going to depart from the usual format of Skeptoid. Typically we don't do interview shows, but today we have a rare opportunity to talk with three of the biggest names in their fields. I'd like to introduce you to television Dr. Mehmet Oz...

                    DR. OZ
My pleasure. host Alex Jones...

                    ALEX JONES
I've got 12 minutes left on my parking meter.

...and author Dr. Deepak Chopra.

                    DEEPAK CHOPRA
It is very nice to be here.

Gentlemen, thank you all for making yourselves available today. Obviously you're all known for presenting information that's been met with mixed reactions from the more mainstream colleagues in your various fields, however you've all arguably been more commercially successful than your colleagues.

                    ALEX JONES
Damn straight!

Dr. Oz, you began your career as a medical doctor but you now promote unproven, and often implausible, alternative medicine on television. Is this the secret of your success?

                    DR. OZ
People want to hear the truth from someone that they trust. The medical industry has shown that it focuses only on profits, so I try to present a view that's more personalized and principled.

                    ALEX JONES
You're talking about principles? One of the highest paid actors on television; how much of that money do you give to charity?

Alex, we'll get to you in just a moment —

                    DR. OZ
Alex, I think your meter's running out.

                    DEEPAK CHOPRA
Gentlemen, please!

Dr. Chopra — it is doctor, right?

                    DEEPAK CHOPRA
Yes, I too once had a career in medicine, many many decades ago, before I also saw the light and discovered that the physical world is just a projection of our own inner being.

                    ALEX JONES
I've got a projection of my foot up your inner a—

Alex, let's try and get a word in from you. You're best known for promoting conspiracy theories on the radio and on the Internet.

                    ALEX JONES
That's right, except they're not theories, they're the truth.

I understand that among your beliefs is that the government is planning to put millions of law-abiding citizens into extermination camps.

                    ALEX JONES
Anyone with an open mind can see it happening if you just look outside.

Dr. Chopra, do your transcendental theories support any explanation for what Alex is saying?

                    DEEPAK CHOPRA
It is his reality, and so it is also real within all of us. Because of electrons, and quantum theory.

That's actually something I was hoping to discuss in more detail with all of you. Dr. Oz, do you use specialized language to promote what you do?

                    DR. OZ
I think the best way to answer that question is like this.

They call me Dr. Oz, I play a doctor on TV.
My job's to tell you science has it wrong.
And every day some brand new super miracle appears,
I'll sell you magic products all day long.

Don't ever listen when they tell you exercise
Combined with fewer fries
Is what will shrink your thighs;
You need these berries hailing from exotic lands.
Science misunderstands
Your body's true demands.

For we are the holy trinity
Of pseudoscientific idiocy,
And we have the network's mandate
To blow your brain cells away.

                    ALEX JONES
It's my turn now, I've got stuff to say. The government, and the aliens, and Bigfoot are taking over the world; and Area 51, and the Illuminati, and the Freemasons, and the Zionists, and the World Bankers —


                    ALEX JONES
Sorry! OK, it's like this.

The government is out to take your freedoms all away,
They want to put you in a prison camp.
Your mind is being controlled by what you eat and what you breathe
and by that little chip that they implant.

The men in black are tracking all your movements now,
Your doom is what they vow,
And we must disallow.
Conspiracies control your money and your mind.
Wake up and grow a spine,
It's revolution time.

For we are the holy trinity
Of pseudoscientific idiocy,
And we have the network's mandate
To blow your brain cells away.

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Deepak, you've heard your fellow guests explain their perspectives.

                    DEEPAK CHOPRA
Oh yes, very much indeed.

What can you tell us about your work?

                    DEEPAK CHOPRA
Quantum information makes reality transform;
The light of knowledge brightens consciousness.
Inside of rationality are photons that are God,
And boundless positivity exists.

Infinity and chaos are equivocal.
The world's cylindrical
And metaphysical.
Perceptual reality's an avatar.
Transcendent caviar.
Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

For we are the holy trinity
Of pseudoscientific idiocy,
And we have the network's mandate
To blow your brain cells away.

That's very nice, boys.

Well I have to say, you've all given us a lot to think about today. Perhaps some of our listeners will tune into your programs to learn more.

                    ALEX JONES
Not likely! They're all paid shills for the government.

                    DEEPAK CHOPRA
My friend, I think you need to have your chakras realigned.

                    DR. OZ
I can do that for you!

Well thanks for being here, gentlemen.

Brian Dunning

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Reference this article:
Dunning, B. "Trinity: Interview with Dr. Oz, Alex Jones, and Deepak Chopra." Skeptoid Podcast. Skeptoid Media, 19 Feb 2013. Web. 6 Oct 2015. <>


10 most recent comments | Show all 115 comments

I havent been able to get Brians audio for a long time (unpalatable internet service only delivers the Bible geek in mp3 time here and greenacres by the sea).

The text is exactly the same from these amd their speeches.

Brian is very kind as he avoids overt religious morons for the easy targets in these skeptoid examples.

Sure Brian went the throat on these shammers. Brian isnt big enough yet to overtly hammer the big guys in general skeptoid..

Its not long now as the lttle fish we call frauds are left in this august pop real pod!

Personally, I am still glad Brian attracts ultra-tools in comments.

Mud,, at Camp Klogs, NSW
March 15, 2013 7:55am

I am NEVER going to be able to get that tune out of my head now!

Admit it, this was your attempt at Brain Control, wasn't it? ^_^

MarvelFan, mississippi
March 17, 2013 6:16am

Thanks Brian and family. Needed a good laugh.

To poo poo'ers, look up the definition and historically significant social role of "satire"

Maybe mine will return the chuckle for you

Only fair since i often link to your episodes on my end notes ;)

Corey Janzen, London, Ontario
March 18, 2013 5:49pm

I'm new to this site, so I was a little disappointed with this one. Everything I've read so seems to have been reasoned through with a good-faith aim to determine likelihood vs. fantasy. This one, however, was a mockery of three people that I know little about, and given the apparent aim of this "Skeptoid" venture, the lack of substantial discussion in the interview is a let down for someone like me who looks to this site for some good ole unbiased weighing of facts. I learned nothing today about Dr. Oz, Deepak Chopra, or Alex Jones, except that they can come up with a rhyme together. Maybe they are quacks, but I won't apologiza for my ignorance there... However, I do believe Brian, in his self-proclaimed capacity as a skeptic, should take more responsibility in giving a fair read to all views, especially if he wants to be a reliable, respected, and trusted resource to people like me

CT, South
March 20, 2013 5:35am

Well this was a huge disappointment. Probably the first time I've been let down by Skeptoid.

Jesse, Kansas City, Missouri
April 2, 2013 7:46am

I found this site trying to get some real information on Holosync and the like. I have MS and I know I am in the target market for scammers. I also understand the fear and desires of people with incurable illness. I was very grateful for the information I read until this, I was about to send you money until I heard this. If this is what you call critical thinking I will pass. This is ignorant and harmful, While I am not a big fan of Dr. Oz and I do not respect those who make millions from sharing basic nutritional information, this did not help me to separate fact from fiction in any way. I am going to save my money so that I can afford my pharmaceutical drugs (that almost all derive from sources in nature) that are making billions for the pharmaceutical companies.

Maryanne, Seattle, WA
April 30, 2013 9:02am

Just listened to this episode. I'm only here to leave this comment and a donation. Great stuff.

Mike, oklahoma
June 21, 2013 9:35pm

Haha, great stuff! Not what I was expecting when I clicked "Listen".

Joe, Georgia
November 14, 2013 11:50am

Please Google "Low Dose Naltrexone" re your MS. Good luck

Patrick, Johannesburg South Africa
January 21, 2015 8:47am

I thought this was a real interview until it got to the singing. Hah! I needed that laugh.

Kai, Boston
February 17, 2015 11:20am

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