Attack of the Nanobots!

Is it possible for nanotechnology to result in an army of self-replicating machines that consume and destroy our society?

by Brian Dunning

Filed under Conspiracies, Environment, General Science

Skeptoid #317
July 3, 2012
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Today we're going to point the skeptical eye at nanotechnology, which as you may have noticed, has popped up on the agenda of quite a few activist groups. Nanotechnology is one of those words that sounds impressive and perhaps even a little forboding, but it turns out that not very many people have a very good idea of what it means. About the only thing most of us know is that it involves very small objects, possibly nanoscale robots, strange materials that leverage quantum effects, and perhaps the ability to run out of control and spread like some sort of synthetic virus. We're going to see what nanotechnology really is, we're going to compare that to some of the popular fears about it, and finally see what actual dangers there may be.

The short definition of nanotechnology is the manipulation of matter at the atomic or molecular level. At this scale, we usually measure things in nanometers, which are billionths of a meter. Using our highest resolution imaging technologies — various types of scanning probe microscopes — we can actually "see" individual atoms. We can't resolve them visually since they're so much smaller than wavelengths of light, but by oscillating a physical probe over a surface, we can measure the interaction between the tip of the probe and the surface, and thus detect the presence of individual atoms; or more commonly, larger structures made of atoms and/or molecules. The probe is so sharp that only a single atom sits at its tip. A scanning tunneling microscope (STM) detects changes in the electrical current when electrons jump between the sample and the conductive tip, through an effect called quantum tunneling, when an electron disappears from one atom and reappears at another nearby. A newer variant is the atomic force microscope (AFM) where a cantilever with an atomically sharp probe is deflected by various electrostatic and other forces as it interacts with the sample, and the cantilever's movements are measured with a laser. Having a friend who designs them, I've played with both machines quite a lot, and had hours of fun crashing the head and trying to move atoms around.

Perhaps the best known example of a nanomaterial is a carbon nanotube, basically a tube made of carbon atoms that join together in a hexagonal pattern and form the simplest, smallest jungle gym possible. It would never be practical to construct nanomaterials the way I did, by manually moving atoms around one at a time; so instead we rely on self-assembly. We create conditions under which the atoms or molecules naturally join together in just the way that we want. We can control the temperature, electrical conditions, the availability of the desired source chemicals, the presence of catalyst materials and templates, and other such conditions.

Self-assembly permits mass production of nanoscale materials, at least of those with limited complexity. There are well over a thousand such products on the market today, in just about every product category, and growing every week. The Project on Emerging Nanotechnologies maintains a public database of such products, including every consumer product you can think of, from television screens to cosmetics, to industrial products. For the most part, these products are in material sciences; substances that are stronger, lighter, better adhering, having lower friction, or whatever quality a customer wants in a material. The basic idea behind nanotechnology is that it lets us custom design the exact, best material for the job, when that particular arrangement of molecules may not exist in nature, or may not be possible to construct using conventional engineering.

But of course, there is, potentially, a dark side. Anytime we have a new technology, that technology can be used for good or for bad. Nanothermite is an explosive that gets its name from super-fine particles of the oxidizing agent that's incorporated, which produce a higher speed of the explosive reaction. Generally, any time a product with a weapons application incorporates a nanoscale material (which, as these materials come into wider and wider use, is increasingly common), that weapon can be (and often is) called a "nanoweapon". Far more often than not, a nanoweapon is not a swarm of tiny robots that invade your brain, it's a conventional weapon that incorporates a nanoscale material.

The civic and cultural opposition to nanotech that exists is not entirely uninformed. The city of Berkeley, California is the world's first that regulates nanotechnology. It's not that they have a goofy fear of clouds of brain-invading mini-robots, it's that they believe new materials may pose unknown dangers. The University of California, Berkeley and the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory are both located inside the city, and both do nanotech research. Some fear that tiny particles might be hazardous to the respiratory system in the same way as asbestos and particulate air pollution, which is a perfectly rational concern, and thus the field of nanotoxicology. But any new material can be unexpectedly hazardous, and this is a problem that is in no way unique to nanotech. Singling out nanoscale materials as especially risky is logically comparable to singling out blue cars as especially likely to run out of gas.

It is the concept of the self-replicating nanobot that captures the imagination of the science fan, as well as that of the science fiction fan (as ably depicted in Neal Stephenson's novel The Diamond Age) and the conspiracy theorist who fears a nanotech doomsday. The theoretical exponential growth of such machines — and their consumption of the entire planet in doing so — is called ecophagy, consumption of the environment. Mathematician and computer scientist John von Neumann is the one who became the namesake of von Neumann machines, defined by a universal computer, able to run any program it is given, paired with a universal constructor, able to build anything it is instructed. This machine is the basic self-replicator. But it was Eric Drexler's 1986 book Engines of Creation that first effectively put the concept into the public's eye. It was refreshed with even greater public awareness in a famous Wired magazine article by Bill Joy called "Why the Future Doesn't Need Us." Drexler coined the popular term "grey goo" to describe the proverbial living mass of nanobots. He famously gave an example where such a runaway reaction could produce more grey goo than the mass of the entire Earth in less than two days, but here's the rub: assuming the availability of both raw materials and a fuel source.

Lessons from the natural world seem to suggest that nanobots might be able to breed and multiply in the same way. Termites are an obvious example. Wood is a fuel, so termites are able to power their activity and breed. Everywhere there is an available fuel source and suitable raw materials, a self-replicating robot is theoretically possible.

However, in Robert Freitas' paper Some Limits to Global Ecophagy by Biovorous Nanoreplicators, with Public Policy Recommendations., he showed that nanobots would likely be highly sensitive to how optimal is their environment. He goes into great detail regarding chemical availability and efficiency, noting that carbon-based nanobots would do well consuming the ecosphere, but would not be well suited to consume the Earth's crust; suggesting that perhaps aluminum, titanium, or boron based architectures would be better. He wrote:

Unlike almost any other natural material, biomass can serve both as a source of carbon and as a source of power for nanomachine replication. Ecophagic nanorobots would regard living things as environmental carbon accumulators, and biomass as a valuable ore to be mined for carbon and energy. Of course, biosystems from which all carbon has been extracted can no longer be alive but would instead become lifeless chemical sludge.

Nanoscale machines would have to do their construction in the same way that I did with the STM: picking and placing one atom at a time. Drexler proposed a tiny manipulator capable of performing atomic-precision operations. It would consist of approximately four million atoms, and would be capable of about one million operations per second. But the manipulator itself requires a substantial infrastructure. It requires command and control, mobility, and not insignificantly, a power source. Freitas expanded on Drexler's design and came up with a complete machine incorporating two Drexler manipulators and the necessary power source, a nanoscale computer, and mobility; its only function would be self-replication. It would be made of diamondoid, a class of materials (mainly hydrocarbons) that are structured in the same basic way as diamond: a three-dimensional lattice that is structurally stiff. Freitas' complete nanobot, which is a reasonable minimum, requires at least seventy million atoms. If the nanobot is to be endowed with capabilities other that self-replication, the design would have to grow accordingly.

Such nanobots actually have a lot going against them. Their power requirements are high, and they'll generate a lot of waste heat. A handful of grey goo, assuming it is fueled and actively reproducing, would be hot enough to boil water and burn your hand. In a letter to Freitas, cryptology and nanotech expert Ralph Merkle suggested much more efficient nanobots that would not incinerate their environment, but at the cost of lower productivity.

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Nanobots would be finicky eaters. Unless placed in an environment consisting solely of the carbon and hydrogen atoms needed to construct diamonoid clones, nanobots would quickly become mired in a swamp of useless, unwanted molecules, and even each other. Their ability to spread physically is likely always going to be confined to a very specific given resource.

Nanobots are also inherently inflexible. While living creatures are highly adaptible and flexible, machines are not. As Merkle noted in a talk at Stanford University, a Boeing 747 is simply a worthless hunk of scrap metal without the active support of fuel, maintenance, spare parts, and constant attention. Deny these things to it, and the 747 will no longer function. Similarly, realistic nanobots are also likely to fail without external support.

Key to this is what Merkle calls broadcast architecture. While von Neumann machines contain their own blueprints and are able to replicate those instructions autonomously, machines built under broadcast architecture are unable to do anything unless instructions are given to them from a single external computer. This lack of autonomous capability is a built-in inherent safety measure. If we turn off its instructions, the nanobot stops. Onboard control systems such as those described by Drexler and Freitas, made up of a countable number of atoms, are too limited to do much of anything at all unless that instruction is provided.

Will nanotechnology result in grey goo sweeping our planet, turning ourselves, our constructions, and the very rocks into dust and sludge? It's not very likely. There is no useful benefit in building simple self-replicators, and it's both less feasible and less useful to build von Neumann machines compared to Merkle machines. No doubt someone's going to try it someday, but will the nanobots successfully walk where only theory has talked? If they do, we may never know.

Brian Dunning

© 2012 Skeptoid Media Copyright information

References & Further Reading

Drexler, E. Engines of Creation. New York: Doubleday, 1986.

Eigler, D., Schweizer, E. "Positioning Single Atoms with a Scanning Tunneling Microscope." Nature. 5 Apr. 1990, Number 344: 524-526.

Freitas, R. "Some Limits to Global Ecophagy by Biovorous Nanoreplicators, with Public Policy Recommendations." Robert A. Freitas Jr. Robert A. Freitas Jr., 1 Apr. 2000. Web. 30 Jun. 2012. <>

Joy, B. "Why the Future Doesn't Need Us." Wired. 1 Apr. 2000, Volume 8, Number 4.

Lederberg, J. "Infectious History." Science. 14 Apr. 2000, Number 288: 287-293.

Merkle, R. "Self Replicating Systems and Low Cost Manufacturing." Nanotechnology. Xerox PARC, 1 Dec. 1994. Web. 15 Jun. 2012. <>

Reference this article:
Dunning, B. "Attack of the Nanobots!" Skeptoid Podcast. Skeptoid Media, 3 Jul 2012. Web. 9 Oct 2015. <>


10 most recent comments | Show all 21 comments


I follow the allegory, Its a clever way to look at that subject but I think you are reaching a bit.

Life in general could be thought of as Von Neumann machines of a sort if you run with that.

Particularly my inlaws.. but I digress

Dan Hillman, Seattle
July 10, 2012 10:51am

This is the best episode of Skeptoid I've heard so far. I've always been suspicious of the scare stories told about nano-whatevers and the lack of consideration of how they must obey the laws of thermodynamics and Darwinian evolution just like every other self-replicating life-like thing. The treatment here was nicely thorough and interesting.

Herman Von Helmholtz, Stuttgart
July 11, 2012 2:59pm

Herman, people have lost their sense of risk assessment.

Remember mobile phone brain cancer hoaxes?

It might be true, so lets petition to close down an industry.

Maybe we should start a conspiracy posit on nuclear and gas being suppressed by BIG know, how SPAM was made to look bad by a campaign by BIG PARMA.

Time for a home brew methinx!

Mud (now overweight as well), out to pasture, NSW, in many gardens, Oz
July 12, 2012 4:58am

The runaway gray goo scenario also vastly overestimates the speed of the invasion. No expanding glob of gray goo can expand faster than the goo itself can travel. It takes quite a long time to traverse the width of a lab table if you're stopping to eat every atom along the way. (If a nanomachine can eat a million carbon atoms per second, it's top speed would be something on the order of half a meter per hour.)

Andy, Cleveland, OH
July 13, 2012 11:54am

John von Neumann is NOYman, not NEWmen.

Jason, Taft, CA
July 18, 2012 11:00pm

Love this article a lot. happy to see you raise the heat and energy concern . Energy supply could be solve by copying nature ( like using an electron based mechanism like chlorophyll excited by a laser )...the heat is a more greater concern, because of the cheer number of "nanobots" required to make this technology relevant in a reasonable timescale ...having them inside Tony Stark's body to create an armor will remain unfortunately only a fantasy.

Dexter, Lyon
July 22, 2012 3:32am

Dexter, I would not be that quick in saying that.

I would be very quick in wondering why you would make nano, in vivo body armour.

Its as if these crazes for self mutilation amongst the young arent bad enough.

The oft quoted lines "Its not science fiction" are always sublime. In my lifetime reality is far stranger than anything a science fiction writer can dream up.

I'll give the Mandarin a ring!

Mud (hayfevered and none too pleased), out to pasture, NSW, in many gardens, Oz
July 24, 2012 6:25pm

Nanotox is a very interesting subject and when you bring something down to the nano scale their properties often change in unexpected ways.

One of the biggest issues those of us in the nanotechnology industry see is companies using safety regulations made for macro scale materials for their nano equivalents for the sake of saving money on safety testing.

This may be perfectly fine, but we don't know until someone spends the million or so dollars to do a comprehensive test properly.

We also don't have long term data to go off of in terms of human effects.

Now, it is not all bad, we have learned a lot from the study of past effects and as of such can better predict the properties of a material when left in the body or environment, so we are not shooting in the dark in terms of possible risks. That does not change the need for testing however.

As someone who is building a career in the nanotech industry I see so much potential and do not want to see some scared politician come in and shut everything down, but I also don't want to see another asbestos situation 30 years from now. Caution is always the better call.

So, in closing I would like to say that the biggest concern with nanotech at the moment is the lack of proper testing of the materials before they are released to public for sale. Nanomaterials have new and unique properties that make them useful but these properties may make them dangerous, we need to test them better to make that call.

Canbon Nanotube, The Great White North
June 1, 2013 8:41pm

Canbon, great post.

Can you explain the difference between science based and evidence based wrt to "nano particles" in lieu of your post?

Mud, sin city, Oz
August 2, 2013 5:39am

I have "Oh we oh, we Oh" stuck in my head. Good times!

Joe, Georgia
November 13, 2013 11:32am

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